haha, dude, how can u imply that the american people as a whole chose conservatism. i mean bush had a 51% majority. haha if kerry had won with 51% i would argue the exact same point against an antithesis to your post. its not a mandate, its not an amazing victory, its a close margin as demonstrated by ohios end tally.

"Because they know that in elections, conservatism wins."
soooo, explain every liberal victory? i mean even in early history, when republicans or other party's won, they were considered progressive or liberal victories. lincoln supported an early version of civil rights, in the 60s who was against the civil rights bill? conservatives. there are huge shifts of policies. the civil war era democrats were overwhelmingly conservative. now democrats are liberal. liberalism and conservatism act as a huge pendulum, switching back and forth, and parties slowly shift along their own pendulum, albeit less predictable. you are analyzing the history of politics looking through a narrow recent scope, thats just ignorant. im sure there are moderate conservatives and liberals who will read this and agree. success of a country depends on switching back and forth along the political spectrum, i fully admit there are horrible policies of liberalism, and likewise with conservatism. i as an individual just happen to think there are more horrible policies on the conservative side. im extremely glad that there are those who disagree, or our country would be doomed. when i read opinions like this post's, i just get upset, and also worried, that there are those who think that the opponents have nothing or only a tiny amount of ideas to add to the policies of our country.

this was a plea to the independants, and moderate conservatives/libearls of the xangapoliticalrealm, to understand that the opponent isnt completly wrong, that they just have a different angle to our republic democracy's success in the world. and that its neccessary.

neolib, even if cons and dems are always wrong in your view, libertarinism has its flaws too, if u disagree, then youre just being stubborn.

"Most recent studies show only about 30-40% are for abortion."

ha, search google dude, i did a quick one and found a pro-life site that had 52% of americans supporting the right to abortion and 47% against it.

"but the Democrats track record is against them when it comes to which party (Democrats or Republicans) has passed more unconstitutional laws / social policies."

id like to see your source for that. but, using the general theories of american political science, liberalism and conservatism have a very close to even split. what does the name of the party matter in investigating success? id rejoice if i was in the civil war era and i heard about a democratic loss. thats because democrats were regressive conservatives in that era, and i, having liberal beliefs would side with the republicans. so once again, liberalism is wrong just as much as conservatism, or any other ideology.

and finally "Always? No. The vast majority of the time? Sadly, yes." this is just a politcally naive and personally obstinate.

well, looking at the %'s i gave, which have a stronger margin supporting the r v w decision then bush's victory, it wasnt just a mandate, it was an ubermandate by the american public in support of that supremecourt ruling.

i got an instant message from someone telling me that progressives were not the supporters of the civil rights amendment, conservatives were, i dont know who it was, but if ur reading this, open up a history book instead. im not talking parties in all of my posts, im talking ideologies. and the liberal crowd supported the civil rights cause, which in turn made the vast majority of afroamericans liberal, and since at this point in time liberalism is represented by the democrats in our biparty system, thats why the vast majority of aa's are dems. and for some other platforms that appeal to minorities in general.

ok sorry for using a site that sides with your opinion as my source for my percentage, how about a few other less bias-towards-you polls?

"For instance, a Pew Research poll conducted June 8-12 asked: "In 1973 the Roe versus Wade decision established a woman's constitutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not?" Sixty-three percent responded "No"; 30 percent responded "Yes."

Similarly, a Gallup poll conducted July 7-10 asked the same question to half of its respondents; 68 percent said, "No, not overturn," while 29 percent responded, "Yes, overturn." Gallup asked the other half of respondents a different version of the question: "Would you like to see the Supreme Court overturn its 1973 Roe versus Wade decision concerning abortion, or not?" Sixty-three percent responded, "No, not overturn," and 28 percent responded, "Yes, overturn."

A Gallup poll conducted June 24-26 found that nearly two-thirds of respondents want a new Supreme Court justice who would vote to uphold Roe. Gallup asked: "If one of the U.S. Supreme Court justices retired, would you want the new Supreme Court justice to be someone who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- the decision that legalized abortion -- or vote to uphold it?" Sixty-five percent responded, "Vote to keep it," while 29 percent responded, "Vote to overturn."

In addition, a CBS News poll conducted July 13-14 asked: "More than thirty years ago, the Supreme Court's decision in Roe versus Wade established a constitutional right for women to obtain legal abortions in this country. In general, do you think the Court's decision was a good thing or a bad thing?" Of the 632 adult respondents, 59 percent called the decision a "good thing," and 32 percent called it a "bad thing."

Polling does suggest that Matthews's numbers are roughly accurate when measuring whether people regard themselves as pro-choice or pro-life, but not when those numbers are applied to the debate over the Supreme Court's role in protecting the right to an abortion. A May 2-5 Gallup poll found that 48 percent of respondents considered themselves "pro-choice," and 44 percent considered themselves "pro-life." Similarly, an April 25-26, 2005, Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll asked registered voters: "On the issue of abortion, would you say you are more pro-life or more pro-choice?" Forty-seven percent responded "pro-choice," and 42 percent responded "pro-life.""

there. mandates in every single one. at least using the gop definition of mandate.

your definition of unconstitutional is exactly that. yours. loose and strict interpretation both have their merits, a mix is neccessary. my point was that conservative partys and liberal partys both have their low points and high points, and i feel that for every liberal policy you can find in history that you feel is flawed, theres a conservative or rival party one.

to be honest, i think that if liberalism is screwing over minorities, those minorities will shift to conservatism. political lies cant fool everyone all the time. right now, liberals care more, or at least say they do, about the issues that most minorities cite as important.