August 6, 2005
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We Are Completely Different, You Nut!
Morrison Gives Misguided Lib A Lesson On Islamic Extremists
"the lack of humanity on this board is very sad, as well as unamerican. if anything, it shows that some who call themselves "americans" can be just as hateful as the terrorists. you clearly know very little, if anything, about their values or their religion. you don't even know that not every arab is a muslim and vice versa...."
"what makes us better than they are? do you really think that our values are that much different than theirs? or do you just inflate your own values and dehumanize the values of arabs and muslims to justify murder? the terrorists do the same thing, so did the nazis, so did those who supported american slavery. do you even realize that you sound just like them?"
This is just perfect. Perfect. This could not have been said any better. This is a perfect example of how misguided the left has become. I don’t even know where to begin with this. First of all, it is not un-American to suggest the eradication of terrorists. It is un American to suggest the eradication of arabs/ Muslims. I made it very clear from my post, that I was referring to the terrorists, I was referring to the 5% of the arab community that is doing harm to western civilizations. So that pretty much shuts down your argument that compared me to Nazis’s, slave supporters and Islamic terrorists.
Your ability to spin my posts doesn’t impress or shock me. I never suggested that our lives are more important than the lives of the people in the arab community. I didn’t even suggest that our lives were more important then the lives of terrorists, although I am about to do so. You speak in a disgusting manner, you’re defending murderers. I will continue to label you a liberal until you stop aiding the enemy with your slanted, disgusting rhetoric. Our values are completely different than theirs. Completely! How could you arrive at such a conclusion? We do not target civilians, we don’t not accept brutally torturing soldiers of war, our leaders do not hide in caves while our soldiers commit suicide in a attempt to eliminate civilian life. We do not allow widespread abuse of our woman, we do not subject our criminals to acid baths, we do not hide in populated "holy" places when we are being attacked. The terrorists have shown their cowardliness on more than a few occasions. We are completely different then them. We are better than them. Our lives are more important.
Morrison
Comments (17)
You forgot beheadings. Yeah. We don't video tape and celebrate beheadings of "infidels."
Yes, but it doesn't matter how evil a person is, the left generall tends to support the bad guy (remember OJ anyone? Wako Jacko?) regadless of the crime. I guess they think it's 'cool to root for the underdog' when in a situation like this they couldn't be more wrong.
I agree with your post-99%. The one thing I take exception to is calling someone a "Nut".
"Misguided Lib".........YES. "Nut"? It's needlessly insulting,in my opinion. I DO think there's a certain INSANITY that has grasped the left,I just object to the use of the word "Nut".
Other than that,you are right on,Mike!
"We do not target civilians"
No, we don't... not officially. Let's not forget the shamefully callous term "collateral damage" though. And let's also remember that our allies are not so judicious in their avoidance of civilian targets (i.e. Israel).
"we don’t not accept brutally torturing soldiers of war"
If you don't think that the military tortures individuals for information, then you are the one who is misguided. While torture is ultimately necessary for the protection of not only our soldiers, but also civilians, it is also absolutely unacceptable as outright policy, and it is also essential that these sort of practices do not invade American prisons; rather, they should remain exclusively in the field.
"our leaders do not hide in caves while our soldiers commit suicide in a attempt to eliminate civilian life"
Trust me, if our leaders were under constant threat of bombardment, they would be in at least the equivalent of a cave too. Don't mistake their primitive surroundings for primitive organization or strategy - that just makes them more powerful. And I have yet to hear a "misguided liberal" justify the use of suicide bombings. There is a difference between explaining why they are being used (which is fundamentally important to understanding how to deal with and defeat terrorism), and defending their use. Don't mistake the two.
"we do not subject our criminals to acid baths"
No, but we do intentionally subject them to gas chambers, bullets, lethal injection, nooses, and bad food (jk). Unintentionally, they are subjected to gang violence, rape, and sometimes murder.
"we do not hide in populated "holy" places when we are being attacked."
No, but it has long been a practice also in the western world for soldiers and criminals to take refuge in places of worship.
no one will prolly respond cause this is from that old Bolton post but,
first of all, im not defending clintons nominations, in his case all those 140 appointments had to go before congress at some point, and he probably didnt do any favors to himself by doing recess appointments. Second, if we're going to compare some stats how about the one i just saw on the front page of our paper. Bush, after his infamous August vacation, will have surpassed the most vacation days by a president, ever. WITH 3.5 years to go! Regan currently holds the record. Whats even MORE worrisome is how he has BLOOOWN every wartime president's vacation time out of the water. we're told everyday that there is a war on terror going on, yet bush decides to clear brush and cut trees in texas?!! its one of the most irresponsible acts i can imagine. id be offended but have no right to be outraged if this was a time of peace. but bush himself has stated theres a global offensive against terror happening, and the US is leading the charge, which means the US will be encountering the most problems. Where has he been for almost 400 days during his presidency? in. a. field. christ almighty, if clinton, or any other democrat pulled this shit id be pissed to high hell. HES THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, and hes landscaping a fucking ranch in texas.
Thirdly, whilst he did not technically break any constitutional powers, i was refering to the fragile egos of Congress, who will definetly take this as a slap to their face, whether constitutional or not.
on a side note, here here to mr sheep on his point of liberals often being attacked as if they support the despicable practices that they are merely explaining the thought process of.
Damn straight. The fact is that every terrorist attack on the United States has not been carried out by radical Christians, Jews, Buddhists or Hindus. Muslim extremists did it. By the way, if you were planning on refuting me that the Oklahoma City Bombings were done by McVeigh, a so-called Christian, don't bother. In an interview, McVeigh clearly made himself to be known as an agnostic. He had not belief in the afterlife. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution also supported that fact.
I don't suppose I need to bring up Abul Grab Ass prison abuses> you know where our hillbilly women stripped Iraqi men naked, put a leash on them & photographed the whole shameful event for all Muslims to see.
And that Mo, is the reason while we will never be safe in our lifetime.
You pretty much shut him down...without a doubt
"I don't suppose I need to bring up Abul Grab Ass prison abuses> you know where our hillbilly women stripped Iraqi men naked, put a leash on them & photographed the whole shameful event for all Muslims to see."
Please explain to me how that is torture. Is it mean? Yea. Is it embarassing? Yea. But is it torture? No because they weren't under any intense pain, hell fraternity pledges go through a lot more than that -- where's the liberals complaining about that?
Hera, Hear -applauds-. Well said! And Geezerville, need I remind you that they beheaded that guy(shit i cant remember his name)? The Muslims beheaded the civilian worker.
"Please explain to me how that is torture. Is it mean? Yea. Is it embarassing? Yea. But is it torture? No because they weren't under any intense pain, hell fraternity pledges go through a lot more than that -- where's the liberals complaining about that?"
People aren't always physically tortured, and you'd think that an educated person like yourself who seems to know much about politics (notice LOTS of sarcasm) would know that. It would be torture, because they're being shamed by their people for no reason at all, because people decided to do something to shame them. It would be torture to be looked upon as the guy naked on a leesh. Don't you think?
That was beautiful Morrison! Way to be!
And in reference to Geezer, yes that incident was horrible but we punished the officers involved in that. That is what sets us apart, we do not promote this type of behavior and that, my friend, is the reason we are a lot safer than people affiliated with terrorist regimes.
Oh, and I didn't find the word 'Nut' misguided in any way, shape, or form... might as well tell it like it is.
"It would be torture to be looked upon as the guy naked on a leesh. Don't you think?"
No, I think having my fingers cut off by the Viet-Cong (who liberals supported) would be torture. I think Saddam's (who liberals supported) acid baths would be torture. Being naked and having pictures taken of me? I'd think "man that guy / girl is an asshole" and be embarassed / pissed off, but it wouldn't be torture. Middle school for most kids is much more psychologically damaging than that and yet we still send them there. As for "being shamed for no reason at all" I guess murdering a bunch of white people / jews / women / people who disagree with communists / dictaors doesn't qualify as a reason to a liberal.
Liberals fail to realize the difference between torture in civilized nations and in these regions of tyranny. We throw people in jail for torture while they get promoted by tyrantical regimes. There is a huge difference.
They define torture as anything that makes someone unhappy -- so I guess having a bad hair day qualifies as torture.
On another note, a liberal actually did admit to supporting torture (just not to terrorists)....
"Saddam’s torturous regime actually kept them in check."
The them she was referring to are people who disagreed with Saddam.
you responded the exact way that i expected you to, morrison. with insults and spin rather than cold, hard facts. i respect true conservatives who differ in opinion from me, but i do not respect teenage nutjobs who can't make a logical argument and resort to personal attacks. cowards like you act bigger when you're on your own board with the lemmings who support you, but we won't find you where the opposition is, and you get your perverbial clock cleaned when you're on an objective forum and you are forced to use hard facts (e.g. your debate with neolibertarian not too long ago).
if you read what i said, my comment was not only to you (morrison), but to those who commented on the entry with calls for genocide (esp. bimmerphile). like many right extremists, you made the line b/w terrorists and the arab/muslim community very, very fuzzy. you screwed up, not me. don't try to clean it up now.
it seems like you and many of your readers have a hard time reading the english language. if you read my post instead of your skewed interpretation of such, you'd see that i do not support the terrorists. get it right.
my comparison of values was between the values of most americans and that of arabs and muslims, NOT between americans and terrorists. your values appear to be pretty similar to that of the terrorists, but i do not believe that most americans have terrorist values. many are politically misguided by a corrupt administration, but at the core most are people with good, decent values. it's just sick individuals like you and some who grace this board who think like terrorists.
the only reason given by the extreme (fascist) right represented on this board for the difference b/w your views and that of muslim extremists is that we are america (and therefore have a good reason) and they're not. that's not good enough to justify hypocrisy, guys. there is no excuse whatsoever.
when i talk about extremists of different faiths, do not try to predict my argument before i make it, b/c it makes you look stupid. i'm not thinking about mcveigh and co., i'm thinking about guys like pat robertson and jerry falwell that stop just short of calling for a holy war, or those of the ilk of christian identity that are stocking up for a race war, or the ku klux klan, a group that considers themselves christian but have had a history of terrorizing blacks in the south and whose core is based on love of self above their neighbor. muslims are not the only terrorists.
i don't know what faith you on this board call yourselves, if any, but i am a christian and i take my faith very seriously. i do not consider "christians" who advocate for hatred and genocide of entire groups as following the example of Christ, according to the bible they don't and they shouldn't be considered prime examples of the faith. in the same way, there are extremists that call themselves muslim, yet they violate the message of their holy book (but of course you wouldn't know about that either). do they represent all of islam, even of those muslims who take their faith seriously? no.
call me a "liberal" if you want, b/c unlike you i do not consider it a bad word. but really, i am speaking as a student of human nature, and as a christian who deeply cares about living out Christ instead of just talking it. we are blessed to be american, but being american does not make us intrinsically superior than anyone else on this earth. morally speaking, torture, vengeance, murder, acting in the way that we do not want others to act towards us, is wrong. period.
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