August 25, 2005

  • Another Red State Conservative Who Gets It…


    “Bill Clinton’s 8 years in office were the definition of appeasement. We were attacked in 1993 at the World Trade Center. Bill Clinton did nothing. We were attacked in 1995 in Riyadh when terrorist attacked a US military complex, and Clinton did nothing. We were attacked again in 1995 when terrorist blew up a fuel truck killing 19 American soldiers at the Khobar towers. Clinton did nothing after that one either….”


    -Proud American


     



    Morrison

Comments (26)

  • Haha … and there are STILL people out there who think Hillary’s gonna make it to the Oval Office …

  • I think the media and the media-wannabe bloggers are the only ones who take Hillary seriously.

  • Since this isn’t new or even halfway original (circulated originally in 2001), here is snopes.com answer to these claims… and before anyone starts screaming I am a Clinton fan, you have no clue… but the facts are the facts… if people want more indepth information, let me know and I will surely do my own leg work in it…

    <LI>On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers — that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.

    Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.

    <LI>On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

    <LI>On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.

    On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)

    <LI>On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.

    <LI>On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

    (The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton’s term of office three months later.)

    In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:

    In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.

    . . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton’s watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.

    . . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush’s policy promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy — potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia — was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history’s most lethal acts of terrorism.

    Clinton’s former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.

  • great post, Clinton did nothing to stop terrorism..thank God we have Bush now.

  • Bush gets blamed for not preventing 9-11,though HE WAS ONLY IN OFFICE EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE IT HAPPENED.

    Yet,CLINTON was in office eight *YEARS* before that,and the libs never question why he didn’t go after Osama after the 1993 World Trade Center attack a month after his first Inauguration.

    There’s a very simple reason why Clinton didn’t go after Osama from Feb. ’93,(the first WTC attack) and January 2001 (when he finally left office.) YOU CAN’T CHASE TERRORISTS AND WOMEN AT THE SAME TIME! Clinton chose to chase women,rather than to protect his country.

  • I blame the entire Clinton presidency on Ross Perot.  He took almost half of the conservative vote from George H. W. Bush in 1992.  I don’t what people say; it was not the infamous “watch glance” that lost President Bush the election, it was the huge percentage of the conservative population that wasn’t thinking clearly and decided to vote for a loser.  Because they voted for a conservative candidate that wasn’t the Republican, they lost their second choice and ended up with the last man they wanted as president — a dirty lib.  I’ve heard it joked that someones biggest regret was voting for Perot, and it should be, because that break in conservative presidents lost this nation great respect, protection, and economic balance.

  • Yep Republican Youth… did nothing… now go back in to your hole and ignore the rest of the facts… it is easier that way.

    Angelsea- blame for 9/11 can be put on a number of people from both Clinton and Bush years… but to put it on one or the other is overlooking the reality… btw… nice piece of hyperbole on the chasing women and terrorists comment… go apply at your local comedy club…

    Drumline- I love it when people call Clinton a lib… it is funny and makes me almost pee in my pants… add in the whole bit about Perot, this nation lost great respect, protection and economic balance and you have yourself a wonderful column… you can call it “Clinton was a dirty lib and other fairy tales” it will be a smash hit with those people who buying the other fantasy titles…

  • By ‘Another Red State Conservative’ do you mean in addition to you?  Last time I checked, Pennsylvania wasn’t a red state…By the way, Clinton did do something; he bombed a camel and an Asprin factory, and also was successful at bringing peace to the Israelis and Palestinians, since we all know how well that’s been going.  In fact, it’s been going so well that President Bush has supported the extention of Clinton’s appeasement policies.  .  If things keep going the way they are, there will be peace in the Middle East since there won’t be any of our Jewish friends left for them to attack…

  • Altshiftdelete-

    Pretty slick! You say “blame for 9-11 can be put on a number of people from both Clinton and Bush years”…….only one problem with that! Re-read my comment,I was clearly talking about the PRESENT President Bush,and again,he didn’t have eight YEARS in office before 9-11 like Clinton did…………….he had eight MONTHS. Nice try,lib guy!

    As for applying to my local comedy club,I just might take your suggestion. (Lol),it’ll be nice to be in an enviornment without LIBERALS around,it seems that you guys are totally,100% H U M O R L E S S,I can ESCAPE you all there! On the positive side,that’s a clever screenname you have.

    Drumline_Kiwi-You’re right about Perot,except I want to add that Perot COULDN’T have taken away so much of the conservative vote,unless Bush hadn’t alienated them with his raising taxes.

  • angelsea… there is no problem with what I said… you are trying to make the thought that 9/11 should be blamed on Bush who was only in office for 8 months but on Clinton who was in office for 8 years… I made the point that there is equal blame all over the place and to try to blame one side or the other for it is meaningless… mistakes were made in both administrations… is that so hard to believe or even understand?

    BTW- nice attempt at humor there with the comedy club… don’t you know, we libs are everywhere in entertainment… we own it… or whatever other things you believe… and for the record, I guess you can call me a lib guy to this Morrison character but that isn’t really saying much… lastly, are you one of that fears that the liberal boogie man is going to get them?

    Oh… and the Perot thing… while it does seem true that Perot took votes away from Bush in 1992, it does not explain why more than half of those votes from Perot 92 went to Clinton in 1996… most election experts believe that since people were voting against Bush, they may have voted for Clinton or not voted at all without the third party Perot…

  • WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST LOVE EACH OTHER?!

    Oh … right.

    Okay, then.

    I just thought this was kind of funny, Clinton’s wedding ring is show in the picture … way to keep the Presidential cheating tradtion going there, Billy.

  • Re-read my comment,I was clearly talking about the PRESENT President Bush,and again,he didn’t have eight YEARS in office before 9-11 like Clinton did…………….he had eight MONTHS. Nice try,lib guy!

    Extrapolating from Bush’s time before 9/11, he would not have done any better. Look at the 2000 campaigns. Terrorism was a nonissue. His administration did have some chances, but they dropped the ball. Look at this memo from Jan 2001:

    “MEMORANDUM FOR CONDOLEEZZA RICE … We urgently (Richard Clarke’s emphasis, not mine) need such a Principals level review on the al Qida network.” They didn’t allow the Prinicpals review until September. It doesn’t seem like they considered it urgent. Tenet was also briefed on Moussaoui learning to fly a 747 in August 2001. Bush wasn’t briefed because for all of August, he was on vacation.

  • Good ole’ James

  • I heard a Clintonista on Hannity today actually infer that we easily beat Iraq thanks to Bill Clinton. Yeah. He took out all their serious military capability before Bush took office. Paul Bugala(sp)… that’s who it was. He’s a kook.

  • Altshiftdelete-

    There most certainly IS a problem with what you said…..you don’t know the difference between MONTHS and YEARS! You made a deceitful statement by saying “blame can be put on a number of people from both Clinton and Bush *YEARS*”(emphasis mine)….. I nailed you on it,and you can’t admit it. This conversation is over,I don’t need to waste my time talking with you until you can apologize for LYING!

    Youbetzler-

    You make a valid point that Bush wouldn’t have done any better……you’re right,terrorism WASN’T an issue in the 2000 campaign. I have no problem admitting that some of the blame for 9-11 may have rested with the Bush Administration. But it’s eight MONTHS worth of blame,not eight YEARS worth! The other person was trying to give the appearance that Bush was in office for YEARS prior to that terrible September day,and it’s a lie.

  • Chevycharmer-

    “LOVE EACH OTHER?” (Lol),where’s the fun in THAT(Lol)????????

  • Angelsea –
    Did you just call him a liar for ” can be put on a number of people from both Clinton and Bush years.”…? Seriously? No, you’re joking, right?

    This isn’t a reference to length of term, rather it is a reference to people occupying an office during Clinton’s YEARS as president, and the people occupying an office during Bush’s YEARS as president. Simply because only 8 months had elapsed between inauguration and the terrorist attacks of 9/11 does not mean that the people working in Bush’s administration can’t be described as the “people from Bush’s years.”

    What a shameful reason for calling someone a liar. Perhaps you should now apologize for making that kind of accusation over a simple understanding.

  • *misunderstanding…

  • I stand behind what I said! He lied,let HIM apologize. Have a great day.

  • Don’t forget, Clinton was given the opportunity to get Osama when Sudan captured him. Knowing Clinton, he didn’t take him.

  • Angelsea is right.

  • Anglesea… why would I apologize for lying… I did not lie… you trying to minimize the guilt of those within the Bush administration for non-action because they were there for months flies straight in the face of reality… I am sorry but by trying to mask the subject and “personal responsibility” of this administration since they were only there for 8 months is a joke and a disservice to those who died on 9/11… terrorism was not a key piece of policy for the Bush Administration before 9/11… this means that some guilt can be associated with it…

    Nevermind, I see what you are trying to do… you are nitpicking a phrase I used… a common practice by those who argue on Internet… yes, I did say years but if you read it in context “blame for 9/11 can be put on a number of people from both Clinton and Bush years…” meaning those working for either Administration during the term… you can read that and see that but instead of trying to argue a valid point you wanted to try to nitpick it and veil the fact that Bush has some guilt on his hands for 9/11… sorry, but I will not apologize for lying but will admit I could have used the word “administration” instead…

  • Angelsea is still right.

  • in your eyes he is right but to me it makes no difference what your opinion is… anyone with more than half of a brain could comprehend what I was writing… he chose to stand his ground on a nitpick situation and no more…

  • No, actually. The Clinton Administration is the only one that could have actually stopped the attacks. Perhaps if you pulled your head out of the sand and stopped using hindsight to justify what “could have been done” by Bush’s Administration, you might realize that.

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