September 24, 2005


  • Hillary Clinton, The Moderate?


    Hillary Knows Liberals Cant Win!


    "I happen to think that fighting for freedom is a noble cause. There are lots of things wrong with how Bush did it. I believe we should have gone through with the inspection process and acted through the U.N. But I believe that standing up against someone as dangerous as Saddam was a good goal."


    "I think it is a much more complicated situation," Clinton explained. "I don’t think it’s the right time to withdraw."


    -NewsMax


        In an effort to put some distance between herself and Cindy Sheehan, Hillary Clinton has made some profound comments about the Iraq war. Hillary says she happens to "think that fighting for freedom is a noble cause", is she implying that Sheehan doesn’t? Its obvious what’s going on here. We all know that Clinton is gearing up for an election campaign, we all know that Clinton’s a liberal who will, regardless of her politics, do whatever it takes to appeal to the American people. But why? Why does the left do this? Why do they pretend to be what they aren’t? You would think, with all the little lib polls out there suggesting that Americans don’t support the war, that Hillary would stand by her guns. But no, she hasn’t, she wont, because she knows that come election time, the American people will look at these two parties and make a decision. And the closer Hillary is to the kook left, the closer she is to the Michael Moore’s and Cindy Sheehan’s, the closer she is to them, the more votes she will lose.


        She understands that liberalism doesn’t fly with the American people, she understands that the only possible way for her to reach the top is to appear to be what she is not. Will this work? No. This will not work, because contrary to what libs will have you believe, the American people are not stupid. They can sense phoniness. They can tell when someone is pretending. I can understand why liberals continue to run as conservatives, I just don’t understand why anyone who claims to have such strong feelings towards a cause would do so.


    Morrison




    Morrison Report Archives August 4th 2004


    Hillary Clinton Sums Up Why Morrison Supports The War

Comments (36)

  • Mikey,

    I am sorry man but I don't see it... I do not see how you can read Hillary Clinton's mind... maybe, just maybe she believes what she says... maybe she sees it like a lot of people that pulling out will not answer the question but raise more issues... I know it does not fit in to your "all or nothing"mentality but that is the truth... I am against the war but that is a moot point since we are in it now... we have to do what we have to do...

    As far as your wingnuttery about liberals can't win and whatever else... you have proven once again that you have no clue... as the house crumbles around you and you tell people that it is the neighbor that should be worried... you will get your praises and "mega dittos" from your famously moonbatty fans but outside of that, you once again prove you know less about what is going on that what you claim to know...

    I don't know why I even read anything you write... I can read moonbat logic on a number of other sites with better writing and at least something weighty to back it up... I guess I come here because the people who do respond here are at least somewhat more knowledgable than the host and offers a true discussion of what is going on...

    rage on!

  • "I do not see how you can read Hillary Clinton's mind... maybe, just maybe she believes what she says... "

    talk about moonbat logic..

    MEGA DITTOS MORRISON!!!

  • um, no... I don't even like Hillary... thus it can not be moonbat logic...

  • Urgh. She bothers me.

    And you know what the sad thing is? If she runs, millions of women will vote for her, simply because she's a woman. What kind of crap logic is that?

    But I guess you could file that with the people who party vote EVERY year.

  • Bravo, "Morrison"
    2008 Condi vs Hillary - Look out!!!!

    A diplomatic, intellectual, capable, sincere, real woman versus
    A say anything, do anything, overlook anything, insincere one.

    God bless America.

  • Wait, is DaButcher parodying a conservative?

  • "maybe, just maybe she believes what she says... "

    Sorry, but you'll have an easier time convincing me that Osama is the second coming of Christ than you will that Hillary Clinton is being honest.  She was (can't say for sure now, since I can't read her mind and she's not as in the public view as she was) too much of a socialist for me to ever take her seriously.

  • I don't think I'd ever vote for her for anything. Let me think. Hmmmm.....
    No.

  • I hope boymarine is right about 2008!  But only if Condi won!

  • I dunno, I think Ann Coulter would be a good match up against Hillary.  *shrug*  Lock them in a cage and let them duke it out........

  • As sad as it is for me to admit, I believe that Democrat is going to win the next election, so I at least hope that it will be a good candidate (yes, a good Democratic candidate does exist).  But Hillary is definitely not that good candidate.  Putting aside political bias, Sen. Clinton has been appearing to move further and further right ever since somebody mentioned that she might possibly be President, and I believe that it's all a ruse.  The Clintons are a political love-machine, it's all they live and breathe, so Hillary knows what she's doing by centering herself, but this also compromises her authenticity.  Hillary's not the best choice, but hopefully time will reveal a good Democratic candidate.  And trust me, I'd vote for a good Democrat over a mediocre Republican any day, despite conflicting political views.

  • u are a lunitic

  • Mikey, I was probably a bit harsher than I needed to be... for that I apologize... but it still does not take away from the gist of what I was saying...

    the only way a woman would win in 2008 would be Condi v. Hillary and I would suspect you would see low voter turnout... both are carrying some baggage... not saying that a woman is not qualified but it is not the time...

    I can not read Hillary's mind either but I know what I am reading from others who feel along the same way about the war but now feel that getting the job done in Iraq is important... so either she has adopted this feeling or this is how she feels, either way I am not going to make a statement that is how or why she is saying anything... everyone can express their opinion but it is a bit presumptuous to make an absolute statement on it...

    with that said... Hillary's appearance of moving more towards the center might be her thought of running but I can also see the Democratic party thinking of moving someone up the chain to beat her... they might push her for the VP position though...

    Traditionally, when we hit the Presidential election cycle you will see candidates move towards the extremes to capture the fringe base and as the primaries go on and up until the convention they make their move towards the center... this goes for both parties since the moderates and the centrists are important come the real election (not as important during the primaries)... to move this early and to such extremes as being guessed by some does not seem logical since it is still too early... she would still have to woo the far left who are not necessarily in her pocket right now...

  • bimmer... I will go one better... Michael Moore v. Ann Coulter in a cage match to the death... then as one is killed in the ring, the floor opens up sending both in to spiked pit... now that would be entertainment...

  • Except Ann actually uses *gasp!* -- facts.  Sure she's harsh, but she doesn't make up blatant lies / distort the truth like Mikey Smoore.

  • now that was funny Bimmer... that was one of the funniest things I have read in a long time... thanks for the laugh...

  • BimmerPhile: A few relevant links.

    http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031023.html
    http://www.boingboing.net/2004/02/16/ann_coulters_lies_ab.html
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072302.shtml
    http://www.newshounds.us/2005/07/14/ann_coulters_fog_of_lies_about_karl_rove.php
    http://www.fair.org/extra/0211/annslanders.html

    What's that saying? Something about glass houses and throwing stones....

  • "American people are not stupid"

    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
    *tear* That's simply classic.

    Morrison, are you sterile?

  • Good Post!  The reason Hillary and all the other "liberals" don't run on the liberal label and use the world "moderate" instead is because only the fringe kooks will vote for those who call themselves liberals.  Semi-sane people stay away from liberals like the plague.  However, they aren't totally sane because they fall for the "moderate" label.  Hillary and all liberals believe the "end justify the means".  Thus, they will "pretend" to be conservative or moderates to get that POWER!  After they are in office, then they can work behind the scenes with their liberal kook groups and destroy freedom for those of us in fly over country. 

  • Question: Why, at the Republican National Convention in August (I belive it was August) did the Republicans have the following as keynote or featured speakers?:

    - Arnold Schwarzenegger
    - John McCain
    - Rudolph Giuliani
    - Michael Bloomberg
    - George Pataki
    - Rod Paige

    Why were the following nowhere to be seen at the Republican National Convention, at least as speakers?:

    - Jerry Falwell
    - Ralph Reed
    - James Dobson
    - Alan Keyes
    - Henry Hyde

    It seems pretty clear that Republican candidates also appear to covet the "moderate" lable. Most Americans are, in fact, moderates, which is why democracy can actually work in your country's two-party system.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/gop.lineup/

  • In the 20th Century:

    - Thomas Woodrow Wilson (1913 - 1921)
    - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1933 - 1945)
    - Harry S. Truman (1945 - 1953)
    - John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1961 - 1963)
    - Lyndon Baines Johnson (1963 - 1969)
    - James Earl Carter, Jr. (1977 - 1980)
    - William Jefferson Clinton (1993 - 2001)

    Seems to me that so-called liberals can and have won, Morrison.

  • "end justify the means".

    Isn't this one of the reasons stated for invading Iraq?

  • "It seems pretty clear that Republican candidates also appear to covet the "moderate" lable. "

    Yes, because just about every single politician out there today is a pussy who just wants money.

  • "Yes, because just about every single politician out there today is a pussy who just wants money."

    Does this include President Bush? Remember, it was essentially his convention.

    That aside, what is wrong with holding what could be termed as a "moderate" position, be it right or left of centre, when most Americans consider themselves to be moderates?

  • Malleus... Bimmer is in belief of the "all or nothing" thought... plus I think he is one of those that has now deserted Bush since he is not a hardcore right-winger... right Bimmer?

  • No, just that if you claim to believe something, then follow through with it. Unfortunately the vast majority of Americans lack the courage of their convictions. Too many people, especially politicians, are afraid to take sides because it might upset someone else.

    Remember -- Political Correctness means always having to say you're sorry.

  • Hi Malleus - there's nothing wrong with being "moderate". If you can do that, you are approaching objectivity, a highly prized human characteristic.

    At that point you would select positions on the various issues you believe in. It then becomes a question of how strongly you feel about any of those issues. At that point you become associated with either the "right" or "left" side of the political spectrum or find yourself an Independent.

    If your emotional investment in a particular issue is very high, it would then mean a serious commitment to the party that represents you. At that point, it could be said that one has departed the ranks of "moderate". I think, in an ideal situation, that would be the way it would work.

    God bless America while she's out there trying to bring freedom to the people in a few more countries.

  • Altshiftdelete: I think I've come to understand the mindset, "you're either with us, or against us" exhibited by some here (mostly conservative on this site, although I've seen my fair share of liberals who come from this perspective). The difficulty for BimmerPhile is the difficulty of finding a politician or leader who is ideologically "pure." I can only think of a few examples myself:

    - Basil the Bulgar Slayer
    - Tomas de Torquemada
    - John Calvin
    - Maximilien Robespierre
    - Adolph Hitler
    - Pol Pot
    - Mohamed Omar and the Taleban
    - Osama bin Laden

    Given these particular examples, I think I'd rather have a little bit of moderation and ambiguity in my elected representatives.

    Hmmm, I wonder how this comment will be spun?

  • boymarine: I tend to agree with you on this, but I do think that moderation is the ideal one should strive for. It doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bath water, though. I am very passionate when it comes to a number of issues. The difference is I'm willing to hear out those who disagree with me. In the end my mind may not be changed, and I may not change the mind of my ideological adversary, but at least a dialogue can occur. It's in this civil environment that a nation can progress and advance, not in a nation divided with half the country at the throat of the other half.

  • Malleus,

    you are right... I really do not fault people for clinging on to some political philosophy so hard that it tends to skew their outlook on life... it is their POV that things are like they are due to this philosophy... the only way you can even approach them as far changing any ideas is by pointing it out enough that maybe, just maybe they will agree with something that is not within their current mainframed thoughts...

  • bimmer... actually growing up and facing reality allows people to say they are sorry...

  • Ok, you totally didn't get the joke in that qoute there then............

  • Also, Malleus, I never said moderates were bad -- just don't pretend to be conservative / liberal if you're really a moderate. Bottom line -- stick to what you (a politician) claim to be regardless of what that may be.

  • bimmer... I get it now... I am not use to you throwing out humor...

  • Ur jsut pissed off cuz ur payin money for BULLSHIT..dont be bitter just cuz ur lame enough to actually pay money for xanga permium....

  • Please Mike don't even try to play me, I mean you know we was gonna win any way,,,duh!!!

    Thanks Bye L O S E R (that spells loser if you don't know)

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