November 8, 2005
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Crazy Muslims Riot In France
Talk About The Irony..
PARIS - President Jacques Chirac declared a state of emergency Tuesday, paving the way for curfews to be imposed on riot-hit cities and towns in an extraordinary measure to halt France's worst civil unrest in decades after 12 nights of violence.
This situation that is occurring in France just adds evidence to the notion that appeasement doesn't work. Unfortunately, the French have rested on this idea that if they don't do anything to fix the problem, the problem won't arrive at their doorsteps. This viewpoint has sadly been adopted by mainstream American liberals. This stuff going on in France should be looked at as an example for Americans. This is a war on the civilized world. Do you honestly believe these Extremist pigs care about your opinion on Iraq? Do you honestly believe that it's just a coincidence that France has the third highest Jewish population in the world? Do you honestly believe that it is a coincidence that the two nations who have the top two highest Jewish populations in the world have been attacked by Muslim extremists in the last 4 years? They are fighting a religious war. They praise their God when they chop off the heads of innocent Americans. When will the rest of the world wake up?
Morrison
Comments (57)
This entire post is so misguided.
I've been watching FNC and following the Riot escapades in France *sigh* all I can say is SHEESH!
Don't compare this with terrorism, because it isn't. Don't twist this into anti Semitism, because that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Learn about that of which you speak...
Some articles:
Deep Roots of Paris Riots
Unrest Brings French Leaders Under Fire
Well, despite France having a large Jewish population, they've historically been very anti-Semitic (and many continue to be). Hell, during WWII they even shipped something like 75,000 Jews to Hitler so they could be killed. Great guys those Frenchies!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46235
^^^^^ that is allllll about what Al Qaeda planned to be "the great ramadan offensive"
I just posted on this same topic
Wow no kidding....
After reading those two articles that WSR has brought about....
Morrison's post really doesn't follow through......
Mikey... this is by far one of your most misguided rants I have read to date... you are trying to make this something that it is not and this is a strong case of dishonesty that I would never believe that you would even fall for...
We might not agree on everything (or a lot of things) but this is disgusting... after doing a bit of leg work and seeing how completely wrong you are on this topic, you owe your readers an apology...
Good lord Mo, you've really outdone yourself. The riots have not a fucking thing to do with appeasement. These recent events are within a completely domestic context involving the socio-economic conditions within middle eastern and north african communities as well as domestic laws banning religous symbols aiming to curtail the influence of Islam within the nation. Keep in mind that the districts these riots began in are the poorest in France and all of Western Europe. These are their ghettos, their drug havens, thier centers of organized crime and government corruption. Hell, an analogy to race riots in LA in 92' and Chicago and Detroit in the 60's and 70's would more appropriate
As for the anti-semitic issue you're placing it in the wrong context. Nonetheless it has been nasty sidenote in French history stemming from the middle ages, brought up during their revolution, and now re-emerging in the form of arson and vandalism in French communities. But again these having nothing to do with these riots, just as vandalism and assault committed by skinheads in Germany and Russia during the 80s' and 90's has nothing to do Islamic radicalism.
You're right on target, Morrison. The world is engaged in "The Religious Wars of 2001", but some folks just don't get it yet.
Muslims are busy in Germany, France, Indonesia, Australia, Holland, Denmark and the USA. They at least have been stymied here by the valiant effort of our government and our troops. Europe is another matter, however. It will probably fall to the Arabs - "Eurabia" is their plan.
Just as in previous European wars, they will go right ahead and get themselves in trouble with their laid-back socialist sytems and then ask the USA to bail 'em out.
For "WSR" and "ASD", before you go ballistic - check out the pattern here - ever seen it before? - I have.
God bless America and Happy Birthday to the U.S. Marine Corps
This has everything to do with pissed off immigrants who have been marginalized as the result of racism, and nothing do to do with some war against Jews.
So perhaps you can owe it to your readers by re-editing this post rather than being dishonest and totally making something out of nothing.......
Frankly I am appalled because I never would expect this from an intelligent 15 year old boy..........
Do us all a favor and make some intelligent analysis on the issue! Thank you
Boymarine...please elaborate on this pattern that you are seeing....I'm not seeing any pattern so far
But thats probably because I'm only 18 years old and haven't seen enough of the world as you have....after all you are 75 years old
I'm not seeing the pattern either, Boymarine. Honestly, the only thing that comes close is I guess Hitler said the Jews were trying to take over Europe. Is "Jewrope" the equivalent of "Eurabia"? But that's ludicrous. So where is the pattern? Can you provide anything to back up this position?
I urge you to read the articles I linked in my earlier post.
Hi "WSR"
The pattern is one of world domination by infiltrating weak (socialist) regimes. Yes, you're right, Hitler did it through Europe.
I think you may all be hung up on Morrison's reference to Jewish populations. In this "takeover" by Islam, the "fever" is Israel, the method is to form isolated and independent Muslim communities within each country and to make demands from the lenient, socialist governments (read as appeasers).
The very liberal governments of Holland and France are finding out what it takes to save your country from invaders who do not want to assimilate into your culture. Their embracing of "diversity" with no loyalty to their country by groups has got them into deep trouble. Just like the liberal who gets mugged will turn into a conservative, France is now acting in a very heavy handed, militaristic way. Much harsher than they accused "W" of being when he had to get tough to save our country from additional attacks.
I can't read everything you read - just as I wouldn't expect you to read all that I read. Suffice it to say, once again, I see a world in deep trouble from extremist Islamists; you see it differently.
God bless America.
Hi "snake"
Being young is wonderful. It's the time of your life when you begin to look for life patterns. Remembering them gives you the ability to recognize things before they happen later on.
There is a caveat, though. If when you get older, you state such things in an effort to alert others, be prepared for the critics to fly off the walls. That's OK. It'll always be that way. One of the things that we all will learn is that "needing to be right" is the boobie prize.
Hey little snakey, good snake, stay, good snake.
God bless America.
"be prepared for the critics to fly off the walls."
-Oh come now, Boymarine. Nobody is flying anywhere.
"I think you may all be hung up on Morrison's reference to Jewish populations. In this "takeover" by Islam, the "fever" is Israel, the method is to form isolated and independent Muslim communities within each country and to make demands from the lenient, socialist governments (read as appeasers)."
-I'm not particularly hung up by Morrison's reference. But what I'm seeing here strikes me as merely paranoid conspiracy theories that have little relation to what is actually taking place in France. Are Muslims forming isolated communities in various countries throughout the world? Certainly. Such a diaspora exists for most ethnic groups. But I wouldn't say that they are bent on world domination.
"The very liberal governments of Holland and France are finding out what it takes to save your country from invaders who do not want to assimilate into your culture. Their embracing of "diversity" with no loyalty to their country by groups has got them into deep trouble. Just like the liberal who gets mugged will turn into a conservative, France is now acting in a very heavy handed, militaristic way. Much harsher than they accused "W" of being when he had to get tough to save our country from additional attacks."
-I think you are misinformed about the policies of the French government. They have not embraced diversity in the least, and rather then assisting in the assimilation process, they have isolated ethnic groups in communities reminiscent of the Jewish ghettos. Another thing that you seem to be failing to take into account is the fact that those who are rioting are mostly second generation descendants of North African descent. These are people who have spoken French their entire lives and know France as their home. It is their country too. Now you may say that I am not seeing the bigger picture, and I guess you'd be right, in that I don't believe that the picture you have painted truly exists. Are there radical Muslims in France? Of course. Are these angry, misguided French youths part of a terrorist movement? Undoubtedly no.
"I can't read everything you read - just as I wouldn't expect you to read all that I read. Suffice it to say, once again, I see a world in deep trouble from extremist Islamists; you see it differently."
-I'm just going to urge you again to read the articles I left up there. They are not long, but are full of good information. Maybe it will sway your mind, but I doubt it. Just a different perspective, perhaps? And I would still like to see some sort of documentation in support of your position.
I might take flack for this, but I actually agree with Mikey on this one to an extent. Interesting point about the two nations with the highest Jewish population being attacked, the difference being, however, that this isn't an attack, simply riots. It's not the same as terrorism, and the people carrying out the rioting are not terrorists, they're mere nuisances.
"Crazy Muslims Riot in France" is probably not the best title to go with, I would imagine you would be shocked and appauled if someone titled their post, "Crazy Christians Bomb Abortion Clinic". The religion of the rioters is of no consequence.
Having said that, you're basically right, appeasement is what lead to the riots.
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Heh.
Hey, boymarine, don't forget the "very liberal" nation of holland sent troops to Iraq.
Do you actually bother to ever take the time to learn about the underlying issues before commenting? Given this posting, I think the answer is all too clear.
For example, in the case of France, most immigrants want to assimilate into French society. They want, what I guess could be said to be the "French Dream." They want good jobs. They want to raise their families. They want to be a part of French society. Their efforts however have been thwarted by a variety of factors, including racism. Of course that isn't an excuse for violence, but if you're going to ignore the real problems and instead make stuff up so that the riots fit into your rather narrow view of the world, no one can win.
Hi "WSR"
The riots are only a symptom of the bigger problem. Yes, they want jobs, but the bad economy of France (add other European nations) can't provide them - socialism can't do that very well. Decades of "give away" programs caused massive influxes into France (think USA, Mexico) - so with no jobs, no hope, no more money available from the government, they are unhappy (rioting).
Now for the not so obvious part. Isolated groups of non-assimilating people would not normally be a major problem. They appear to be without a leader or an organization. How then could this possibly be an Islamic takeover? Some of these are people born in France! Well, every single Islamo anywhere, in every nation, receives the same message in every mosque. It is reinforced five times a day in their prayers. Now that's a "command and control" center that no western army can duplicate.
OK - "WSR" - I'll read the articles and get back. In the meantime, the new book, "The Red Zone", out this week tells more than we will ever know about this. The author went "among them", made friends, even "converted" to Islam so as to learn what was going on. He ended up getting killed there - his wife has published the book for him. It's not propaganda or a political piece. It reveals how and why the violence against westerners, Christians and Jews seems never ending.
God bless America.
BTW "WSR"
A suggestion that might enhance our exchanges without having things seem so personal.
"merely paranoid conspiracy theories"
"you are misinformed"
"you seem to be failing to take into account"
"terrorist movement? Undoubtedly no"
Statements of certainty like that last one sure can cool a discussion.
Hi "REM55"
I haven't forgotten about Holland. They are a great country. They learned recently that being so nice (liberal) and allowing all kinds of "free living" pays off in murder and mayhem. Even they now have had to use an almost "fascist-like" procedure for those Islamos. They do very real profiling. "You a Muslim? - Yes - Get out of Holland!!!"
We are all at war with a formidable worldwide enemy. And still some people don't get it. Maybe after the US elections are all over in 2008, we'll then be able to focus once again on what's going on.
God bless America.
Thanks for your info, I will look into it soon.
But as far as your suggestions for a less contentious conversation, I would merely suggest that you not take such statements as you listed above so personally. I may speak decisively, but I fail to see how such statements make things personal.
Meanwhile, I ignore, or look past your statements that some would see as more personal attacks. Although perhaps more subtly inserted (sometimes), not overlooked:
"For "WSR" and "ASD", before you go ballistic"
"be prepared for the critics to fly off the walls."
"You have no idea about a lot of stuff"
"It is? Holy cow, I'd better write that down somewhere."
"since you are obviously getting yourself all riled up again."
"Do your part! Then maybe you can show the critics the benefits of living in a glass house"
"I should have said something inane and liberal"
"the left is a hateful, loud, irrational, whining, anti-American bunch of unpatriotic useful idiots"
-So perhaps this is something we are both guilty of?
Bad Sheep and marineboy!
For shame, for shame..
The riots are not about poverty in the Muslim sections of France. They are all about Islamist self-confidence and contempt for the West. Paul Berliem writing from Brussels this weekend observed, "It is not anger that is driving insurgents...it's hatred. Hatred caused not by injustice but stemming from a sense of superiority." Radical Muslims don't want to assimilate. They hate the weak secular society that France has become. France is going to have it's own little Paristine, if it doesn't wake up. The question is how far behind are we? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,swims like a duck...it's not the poor unassimilated ,mistreated, Muslims of France, it's a bloody radical ideology, that despises anything in it's path. It's Eurabia baby and it's just waiting to be born.
WOAH
Paranoid conspiracy....anyone??
These riots have been allowed to go on for far too long. The rioting radical muslims just set off a firebomb in a subway. I wonder how the French are getting around these days? All of their cars have been torched and now one of their subways is out of service. France seems to be unable to control the insurrection within the Muslim population, so why not partition France? It's time for an independent Muslim state to be created. After all, isn't that what France and other European nations (and the US) have determined is the proper solution for Israel? They claim this violence will never cease until those oppressed by Israel are granted an independent, autonomous state of their own. Why should the solution be any different in France? After all, isn't the key to addressing the concerns of the jihadists to appease them?
Hi "WSR"
Touche' But I would really miss writing the one quote about the left once and a while - you know, the fringe, the radicals, the socialists, the communists. Only extremist liberals or radical Dems would fit it, so stand back - don't get hit by the shrapnel:
"the left is a hateful, loud, irrational, whining, anti-American bunch of unpatriotic useful idiots"
God bless America
Hi "imakat" and "countrygirl"
When you guys join in a debate, the sun of clarity comes out.
France (Chirac) did one thing, just one good thing - he said no more scarfs to be worn in school by Muslim girls. He said others would "be offended" by a display of religion. That would be equivalent to the secularist comments made in the USA.
One problem we saw here in Florida. A Muslim girl wanted to keep her scarf (face covered) on for her driver's license ID - duh!
CAIR went nuts when she was told that it didn't make sense - she had to remove the scarf 'cause that's the way it works in the USA. Well, she got a pass! Being so accomodating is risky as we and Chirac are learning.
The increasing demands being made and granted to the Muslims in every country is a good clue. Add to that, the birth rate of the Muslim communities to the rates in host countries and you get another clue.
A friend of mine who spent some time in Saudi came home so upset she could spit. She, being an American, was compelled to follow the laws of Islam. She had to be in the back seat of a car - no driving! She had to wear a scarf - not her religion.
"When in Rome - "
That bunch is so stuck in the 7th century - the only thing that makes sense is what "W" and the USA are doing. Drag 'em kicking and screaming into the 21st century, make 'em free, get 'em a decent leader, get 'em jobs and maybe they'll give up terrorism. (If Ann Coulter were writing this she'd add, "Convert them to Christianity"
God bless America.
Hi "WSR"
I read the articles. They are both very good. Based on those reports, I agree with the statements you made in the following message you posted in the initial reactions to the Morrison post:
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Don't compare this with terrorism, because it isn't. Don't twist this into anti Semitism, because that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Learn about that of which you speak...
Some articles:
Deep Roots of Paris Riots
Unrest Brings French Leaders Under Fire
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God bless America.
"When you guys join in a debate, the sun of clarity comes out."
Too bad that sun is blocked by the opinionated "Muslims are evil" BS that they have tossed out there...
Does it matter at all that most of the youths involved in the riots have the same attitude towards Islam that the mainstream in France have about Catholicism? These rioters are actually mostly secular in nature; 50 Cent is likey more influential in their lives than is the local cleric in the mosque down the road.
"The riots are not about poverty in the Muslim sections of France. They are all about Islamist self-confidence and contempt for the West."
Wrong. If you read the reports going on you will see that these riots are about the assimilation, or lack thereof, of muslims into the country. These are the second generation of muslim immigrants who grew up in France and have been exposed to French society and culture. There is nothing fundamentalist going on here and last I heard I don't think there is any of this Islamist self-confidence and contempt for the West is going on. They simple want to be a part of France, but France has denied them this by not helping with their assimilation. Instead they have been casted out and ostracized.
"It's time for an independent Muslim state to be created. After all, isn't that what France and other European nations (and the US) have determined is the proper solution for Israel?"
"Why should the solution be any different in France? After all, isn't the key to addressing the concerns of the jihadists to appease them?"
Because they are trying to be a part of France rather than break away from them. Where the hell did you get the ffing notion that the muslims in France are wanting to create their own solution or that they are jihadists in the sense that Al Queda are jihadists. They are WAY different from these terrorist organizations. Get your head out of the dark and realize that these riots have nothing to do with fundamentalism. These are second generation muslim kids.....they are grown up now and have no intention of creating a state. They simply want to fight the status quo which has not been working out for them.
Dear god!!
Hi "snake"
Don't be a potty mouth when you are addressing the ladies, please.
The demands being made by the Muslim communities in France include: they want their school books and sessions to eliminate any mention of the holocaust. There's one more clue for you.
God bless the USA and the USMC
Can you cite a source for that information?
Gracias
Ha! Oooh, tough talk from the Serpent of old! I guess my insight, sarcasm, and humor was lost on you.
Look dear, it is time to face the facts. I know the talking heads on the alphabet channels keep telling you that these are just a bunch of underpriviledge "yutes" who are rioting because they are "disinfranchised." But the truth is, France has been welcoming islamic immigrants from Arab and African countries for decades to take the jobs that no one else want to do. Over the years, the islamic population has grown to nearly a quarter of the population.
Now, France is going down in flames as radical islamics--branded by the empty suits as "disillusioned youths" who are upset with their economic situation--torch cars and buildings and pelt police with rocks and shoot at them with whatever weapons they can find. But, it isn't unemployment that causes the rioters to shout, "Allahu Akbar" as they torch cars and buildings, dear.
The theme of islamic poor committing violence because of their economic conditions has been one that European appeasers and members of the radical left have used for years in excusing another group of terrorists who started their movement in much the same way as these thugs in France--the Palestian terrorists in Israel. But, poor as they may be, French police are finding that there are now coordinated attacks being planned. As a matter of fact, police discovered a molotov cocktail factory in a Paris suburb with over 100 bottles ready for use. Investigators are finding that the unrestrainable mobs controlling many of the streets in France are a coalition of drug gangs, hoodlums, and radical islamics united by their hatred of Western civilization.
Appeasement of radicals has never, ever worked. This is being proven in France as we speak. France has long appeased radicals by giving them "cradle to the grave" welfare benefits and not assimiliating them into the French culture. Of course, islamic radicals do not want to assimilate. In some places they chant, "This land belongs to us. This land belongs to Allah." Bottomline--they want their own "Paristine."
Now, you can preach all the live-long day to me about the rioting being spurred on by their "economic oppression." But, if that were true, then why in America--where we have millions of illegal aliens doing the jobs that Americans won't do--are there no riots and American cities being burned to the ground because of "economic oppression?"
Hey boymarine- Thanks for the compliment. Happy Birthday Marine Corp!
AltShiftDelete-Sure we all know how peace loving the radical islamofacists are.
Snake-Wrong, suggested reading: Reflections on the Revolution in France by Daniel Pipes. Oh and it is ironic that you signed off with dear God, since the French abandoned God a while ago, but I think they may need him now.
"I know the talking heads on the alphabet channels keep telling you that these are just a bunch of underpriviledge "yutes" who are rioting because they are "disinfranchised.""
-Is any media outlet holding this position considered to be a talking head?
"Now, France is going down in flames as radical islamics--branded by the empty suits as "disillusioned youths" who are upset with their economic situation--torch cars and buildings and pelt police with rocks and shoot at them with whatever weapons they can find. But, it isn't unemployment that causes the rioters to shout, "Allahu Akbar" as they torch cars and buildings, dear."
-So they're "empty suits" too? Point me somewhere that shows they are shouting Allahu Akbar as they torch cars. So anyone rioting is a radical Muslim? Were all of those who rioted in South Central gang members? You seem to be doing as much as you can to dismiss these rioter's genuine feelings of angst and place in their stead a fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist ethic. Sources, please. Show me stuff to support your positions. It's OK - it doesn't have to be an "alphabet" channel.
"French police are finding that there are now coordinated attacks being planned. As a matter of fact, police discovered a molotov cocktail factory in a Paris suburb with over 100 bottles ready for use."
-This doesn't prove your point. Impromptu riots are bound to develop in sophistication and planning as the events wear on. To do otherwise would be to sacrifice their ability to continue to fight against the police.
Sources sources sources.
Cite cite cite.
Let's see something to back up these assertions.
Altshiftdelete--No one is saying that "all Muslims are evil"--just the radical ones. You should know better than to assume such things.
Boymarine--Thanks for the kind words.
I have to agree with WSR... everything I have read and heard (and we're not talking about the empty suited talking heads at the alphabets) have stated a wide variety of reasons but the idea of this being an attempt at the take over by radical Islamofascists (I hate that word... I never hear radical Christians called Christofascists) or this is a continuation of the terrorism campaign presented by the radical terrorists...
Or maybe it is because all of the media (including those empty suited folks and the pundits not really associated with anything else) are really just secular-humanist progressives that are willing to try to bend reality to fit their very small view of how the world should be... maybe they are trying to overlook the very basic ideas and reasons for the riots just to push along their own agenda...
In the end, it would be nice if CG and BM would cite some of their sources for their claims... especially since I can not find but the extremes (i.e. commentators on LGF) that have pushed these ideas...
What are you talking about, Sheep? I love to cast aspersions and invent wild fairytales off the top of my head! Seriously, you need not fret and wring your hands--I got your sources right here, Sheep:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1105/pipes2005_11_08.php3
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20107
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20051110-122503-2518r_page2.htm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20131
http://www.nysun.com/article/22526
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051106/D8DN0R7O0.html
And, if you have speakers on your computer, you can go here http://www.olivetreeviews.org/radio/mp3/ and click on the November 5, 2005-Hour 2 interview with Brigette Gabriel, an Arab-American Christian who runs a grass-roots organization that serves as a watchdog on homeland security issues. Brigitte addresses the Islamic uprising in Europe, called by some the second French Revolution.
Of course, I am not sure why you want sources. You will only discredit them and trample them underfoot because they do not reflect your opinions.
Altshiftdelete-We need a definition for islamofascists don't we? Here's a link:http://frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15344
Now what exactly is a Christofascist?
Read this
http://www.publiuspundit.com/?p=1906
It is a long read with lots of links...but enjoyable nonetheless
I have to hand it to you that this is the first time that I have seen a definition of Islamofascist... the shame of it is, most people do not use this as the definition but rather as a generic term for anyone they believe is a "radical Muslim," and I think you may agree to that...
I already knew of the link (as sparse as it is) between the Nazis and some Arabic groups (should note that most of the Nazi dealings during and after the war were with the more secular Arabs and not the Muslim fanatics since the Nazis had no need to deal with other religious groups they felt were inferior)... While the Brotherhood was one such group they dealt with, the examination presented here is a bit overblown with hyperbole as can be expected by the agenda set by the article...
"I learned that many of the Nazis that I had been assigned to prosecute were on the CIA payroll, but the CIA didn't know they were Nazis because the British Intelligence Service had lied to them." -- This statement made by the author made me scratch my head a bit and of course realize that the validity of the "facts" presented were correctly established... it is already well known the CIA (nee OSS) hired Nazis left and right... they had no qualms about it and whenever the question would come up outside of the the CIA walls, they denied know it... but it was a very open secret within those involved in the day to day involving the ex-Nazis...
The facts presented with the Nazi-Arab connection is a bit stretched to make a point but it is still stretched nonetheless...
If need be, I will examine more but I am leaving for the hospital now... so enjoy it and I should be back in a couple of days...
Snake-Great link and very interesting too.
Hi "countrygirl"
Way to go! A right - a left - whoops, no left - another right - Knockout!
This is where the discussion gets really laborious. It's very much like the approval process for the supreme court judges - "give us more documents!" It'll take forever, and it has predictable results.
Your take is so right, "CG". It would be nice if we all just assumed that there is knowledge, truthfulness and credibility in our comments. All of our debaters don't seem like people who avoid doing their homework. They're just using different texts.
It would be so nice if we offered mutual respect while we differ. It's really impolite to take a position that assumes the party we disagree with is ignorant or a liar. We're all better than that.
God bless this wonderful country and its glorious flag.
Girl -
Thanks for the citations. I am especially appreciative that you gave me some sources for the "Allahu Akbar" issue.
Some parts of the articles made a few good points. Other parts of the articles did not. I actually was starting to compose a list of where I thought the strengths and weaknesses were so we could talk about it, and maybe even further examine the objectivity of all these sources, but apparently you have no interest in discussing it (I get it - alphabet networks and talking heads are wrong, all your sources are right), so I really felt like I was wasting my time.
I may distinguish and be critical of your sources, but I have found that such is the best approach to all sources (not just the ones that may disagree on some aspects), lest you allow the spectre of misinformation to intrude. Have you read the articles I have offered?
You say
"Of course, I am not sure why you want sources. You will only discredit them and trample them underfoot because they do not reflect your opinions."
But this all comes after you dismiss the "Alphabet networks" and "talking heads." Where does the Christian Science Monitor fall in among those? The Washington Post (which you site yourself)? So who here is really guilty of trampling sources because they do not reflect their opinions?
Sheep--Aha, I see the tables have turned. I do not understand why you are so dejected and defeated. I am not personally attacking you when I disagree with your arguments--which are sometimes very snarky, condescending, and hateful, and you know it. Obviously, I have certain sources that I trust, just like you probably do. I make it a point to use discretion when I am reading something--whether it be my source or another's source. I am not saying that any source I cite is infalliable because nothing in this world is impervious to error. In fact, I am generally adverse to pious platitudes. However, I expected you to discredit my sources simply because they tended to support my opinions, which you have steadily rallied against. But, since you have seemingly had a change of heart and have given off the appearance of rationality, I am not adverse to discussing whatever is on your mind. I do strongly stand by my convictions, but I am not a purposely disagreeable person and do my best to give equal weight to other's opinions. That does not mean that I will necessary agree with all opposing opinions, but I will certainly consider their validity, if any, and I hope the same courtesy can be afforded to me. How's that? I hope that satiates some of your concerns.
-Such is not a "change of heart." I give credence to reliable sources and meaningful discourse over bumper sticker slogans, hate mongering, and prejudice. You provided me with reliable information, and I accepted it. Explain to me how this is a change of heart?
"your arguments--which are sometimes very snarky, condescending, and hateful, and you know it."
-Lol. Show me where I have been hateful. Please. Am I the one blaming everything that's wrong in the world on Muslims? Oh, and I beg your pardon for responding to snarkiness and condescension with the like. That's two instances of pots calling the kettle black in this installment of the Chronicles of Morrison. This is why it is all getting to be a tremendous waste of time, and why you can dismiss it all as defeat or dejection if it makes you feel better.
Good luck!
Sheep--Wow. That is not the response I was expecting at all. I guess that is what happens when you try to play nice with the not so nice.
I admit it. I was dead-wrong. You have had no "change of heart."
Ha! I blame everything wrong in the world on Muslims? Wrong. Not all Muslims are terrorists, dear. However, most terrorist acts are committed by radical Muslims. There is a difference. If radical Muslims are pillaging and rioting, I am not going to look the other way and pretend as if I do not notice because it is the politically correct thing to do. If someone is doing something wrong--I do not care who they are or what religion they belong to--I will hold them accountable. I do not appease, tolerate, or sugarcoat evil, violent acts. End of story.
If I might make the following observation and play the devil's advocate, the riots in France are in part because the youth are NOT practicing Muslims:
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/051111/w111138.html
Many children express frustration at having to comply with values they don't share.
"France is a democratic country. It gives rights to women and children," said Abderrahman Bouhout, director of the Bilal Mosque in Clichy-Sous-Bois. "Now parents cannot do anything - if they hit their 12-year-old, police will come to their door. There's a hotline the kids can call to report parental abuse."
Children have "too much freedom," complained Abdelhalim Salah, 68, arguing that government policy has undermined parents.
Sabrine, a 41-year-old mother of four who came from Tunisia 20 years ago, said police shouldn't blame parents for failing to stop the violence.
"We cannot bring up our kids the way we want, to teach them Islam," said Sabrine, adding that France encourages children to choose how they want to practise religion.
"They say religion is not obligatory or that parents are not allowed to make their children wear the hijab (veil) or to pray," she said. "They want to give our children the same freedoms they give to the French."
Some youths admit they don't take grownups seriously.
"The 'elders' of the projects have tried to calm us down, but we don't care," said 20-year-old Karim, rolling a hashish joint.
Perhaps some aspects of Islam, such as respect for the authority of one's parent's, would have prevented the violence from occuring. Of course, this is admitedly a simplistic solution... no more than the simplistic claims that the riots are as a result of militant Islam let loose on the streets of Paris however...
That said, I though of a few of my own sensationalistic headlines:
"Crazy French riot in France" ~ French evolution, 1789
"Crazy American's riot in Boston" ~ The Boston Tea Party, 1773
* Revolution
countrygirl411: "But the truth is, France has been welcoming islamic immigrants from Arab and African countries for decades to take the jobs that no one else want to do. Over the years, the islamic population has grown to nearly a quarter of the population."
Actually, according to the CIA World Factbook, the Mulsim component of France amounts to between 5-10%....
You're right that the French has been welcoming Arab and North African immigrants into the country to do the jobs that native-born French don't want to do, but that's part of the problem now isn't it? The fact is these are often the only jobs that this group can get even today. The children and grandchildren of these immigrants, culturally more French than, say Algerian or Syrian, are not regarded as French by the wider population. They aren't able to assimilate into French society not because they don't wish to, but because the doors have been closed. This isn't to excuse thr riots and the violence, but at least it examines the root cause of the alienation rather than simply pronouncing those engaged in the riots and violence as "evil Islamofascists."
"Now what exactly is a Christofascist?"
There are two ways to approach this...
1) If you use the definition of Islamofascists that you provided as a key, then a Christofascist would be any member of a neo-Nazi or White Supremacist Christian sect that believes in the destruction of Israel and the take over of the world (or a region) by like minded people either by force or movement...
2) If you are using the generic term (which seems to be the rage) that uses the term Islamofascist to represent the "radical Muslims" who are using violence and or skewing the theology of the religion to move their agenda, then a Christofascist would be the same except it would be "radical Christians" in place of "radical Muslims..."
Altshiftdelete-Ah, I see. The thing is, I as a Christian would immediately denounce those with the views you described above, as not being true Christians. True Christians have no such agenda. Seems the recent homocide bombings in Jordan, are having the same effect.
What really annoys me is the lack of regard that immigration to France by Muslims has been an issue since the 1950's Algerian civil war. French colonial expliots there was what literally lead to the birth of modern middle east terrorism.
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