November 2, 2005
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Oreo Cookies?
The Way Liberals Treat Blacks Is Disgusting!
“Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.”
“Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an “Uncle Tom” and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.”
So here we have yet another example of liberal hypocrisy. How many times have we heard that it’s the conservative base that is racist? How many times have we heard that it’s the Democrats who understand what minority Americans need? How many times have we heard that its liberalism that effects minorities positively? Oh, but let a minority show his support for the GOP, let a minority run as a Republican candidate, and the left will go completely insane. They start using names like “Benedict Arnold”, they start using names like “Uncle Tom”. Its abosulety disgusting the way black Republicans are treated by those on the left. But honestly, is it really surprising?
Morrison
Comments (57)
oh sheesh wow! I really admire you Morrison, a young smart gentleman with alot of common sense, I would vote for you if you ever ran for a GOP position.
Unfortunately no suprise at all, considering I just read that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas isn’t really black. It’s never really the color of our skin that matters is it?
It’s not surprising. Since it was conservatives that fought slavery, enacted civil rights, etc. The Left has to have racial division to win, they do it with Hispanics on immigration too. I would like to see the Democrats just completley steamrolled and finally see the color-blind society.
It is a shame that the color of one’s skin is still an issue today… it is a shame that the color of someone’e skin is used in politics… it is also a shame that people like to exploit racism for their own political agenda… now with all of that said, I found it a bit illuminating that the attacks on Michael Steele have been done more by the black self-described Democrats than anyone else which is a bit easier to swallow as far as looking at charge of “racism” since we are not seeing whites as the main culprits… it still is a shame but it is reality no matter how many times you click your heels and say “there’s no place like home.”
Just a note to Goldwater… I am a bit confused by your claim that it was conservatives that fought slavery and enacted civil rights… the very basis of conservativism (in the most simpiest form) is to keep the status quo thus fighting slavery and enacting civil rights are both claims as dubious as saying that Bush is the next Carter… can you provide some evidence for this claim?
As far as using the racial division to win… please, take the halo off the GOP and look at it from a reality based position… both sides of the aisle (I know boymarine will hate this) do the same… does it make you wonder why Bush was pushing for rights on the illegals (drivers license, health care, etc…)? If you think that by “steamrolling” the DNC you will get a color-blind society, then you are very mistaken…
“the very basis of conservativism (in the most simpiest form) is to keep the status quo”
Actually it’s about more following the constitution really.
This reminds me of the way CONDI has been lampooned in editorial cartoons from liberal newspapers……
interesting bimmer since in the simpliest form I am correct… and outside hearing about the activist judges and so on, I have rarely heard conservatives talk about following the constitution…
No Bimmer…..Altshiftdelete is right since conservatism is mainly about maintaining the status quo.
“It’s not surprising. Since it was conservatives that fought slavery, enacted civil rights, etc.”
No idea where you got this type of information from……..my guess is that you thought Republicans were still conservative back in the days, which is actually contrary to reality.
Back in dem ol’ slavery days, Republicans were the liberals and Democrats were the conservatives, which is why you see many state’s rightists and pro-slavery people on the Democrats side.
ANYWAY, enough of the history lesson.
I need cookies……….
“oh sheesh wow! I really admire you Morrison, a young smart gentleman with alot of common sense, I would vote for you if you ever ran for a GOP position.”
Wow Morrison….you have like xanga groupies or something…………..
Oh Morrison you’re so hot……I’d vote for you in any election! (wink)
Still in need of cookies!
“Actually it’s about more following the constitution really.”
-In that case, it is still conservatives who sought to protect the policy of slavery.
Further, the GOP likes to call itself the “Party of Lincoln.” But the Republican Party in its current manifestation is hardly the same as that to which Lincoln belonged. The entire basis of the Civil War is the perfect example – states’ rights vs. federal power. And whose side was Lincoln (and the Republican Party) on? That’s right. Federalism.
“-In that case, it is still conservatives who sought to protect the policy of slavery.”
Did I make any comment to the contrary? At the same time though, it was over 140 years ago……….That’s like criticizing Italy for the Roman Empire ruling with an iron fist.
“The entire basis of the Civil War is the perfect example – states’ rights vs. federal power. And whose side was Lincoln (and the Republican Party) on? That’s right. Federalism.”
Well……..the south more wanted to go back to the days of the Articles of Confederation where the states held all the cards and the nations government was just a facade — the whole reason that the Articles of Confederation were ditched for the Constitution was because under the AoC there was no cohesion and it was essentially 13 countries held together by a very loose alliance that wouldn’t withstand any pressure from forgein powers.
“Did I make any comment to the contrary? At the same time though, it was over 140 years ago……….That’s like criticizing Italy for the Roman Empire ruling with an iron fist.”
-Fair enough, sorry for the erroneous implication. But still, I don’t see Italians driving around with SPQR stickers on their trucks (of course, if they did, who cares?), but I still see plenty of Confederate flags a flyin.
“the whole reason that the Articles of Confederation were ditched for the Constitution was because under the AoC there was no cohesion and it was essentially 13 countries held together by a very loose alliance that wouldn’t withstand any pressure from forgein powers.”
-Yes, that is part of the reason. But not the whole.
I think it is deplorable how blacks who shake the chains of quasi-liberalism are treated. To the libs, if a minority dare strays from the liberal ideological plantation, that are instantly written off as “not representative of their race.” Of course, I did not know that one person can represent an entire race of people, and I certainly was not aware of the fact that a race must vote en masse or else they are not being true to their racial identity. But then again, I tend to value the individual characteristics of a person rather than what race they might be. Silly me. I guess I have forgotten that only “real” minorities vote lib/dem. Any black person who dare has a differing opinion or votes in direct opposition to the lib/dems is immediately denoted with the affectionate moniker, “oreo.” How tolerant and sensitive.
And since some have brought up the War Between the States, let me bring to your attention the fact that the Republicans of that time were not the same as they are today. Back then, Southerners resented the Republican carpetbaggers who came from the North and took over Southern Democratically controlled governments by inciting mobs of freed blacks and manipulating them to vote Republican, thereby giving the carpetbaggers the control they so desired (many carpetbaggers bankrupted state governments). The 10 years of the carpetbagger/Republican controlled Reconstruction era were some of the darkest days for the South. Interesting how things have changed. Now the Democrats seem to be the ones doing the manipulating and getting minorities to vote their way by portraying anyone who is remotely conservative as “anti-minority” and debasing minorities who votes in a conservative fashion by calling them an “Uncle Tom.” The more things change, the more they stay the same…
Oh boy! I think I hear shots being fired at Ft. Sumpter again!
Well, the reason why libs have to beat down any black who dares to think freely is that the Democratic Party relies on roughly 80% of blacks voting Democrat. If word got out to the masses that it was ok to shun the ‘group think’ mentality of so many in the Democratic party, then (whether they ended up voting Republican or not) the number of blacks voting Democrat would drop quickly and it would make it very hard, if not impossible, for any Democrat to get elected in a state that isn’t a traditionally liberal state (such as California or New York). Sadly, it appears that our only hope for American rests on the Libertarian party. Economically they’re conservatives, yet socially are more liberal — you could kinda say they’re the ‘half-way’ party. Since most Republicans turned on the people they represent, it seems that the best thing would be for a four party system. You’d have the Democrats (far left) => Republicans (middle leaning left) => Libertarians (middle leaning right) and then a ‘true conservative party’(far right). Of course the descriptions in parentheses are rough, but a four party system such as that would most likely be the best all around.
I’m, honestly not the least bit suprised the dems have gone back to their “Civil War”, racist stance. The party’s entire base philosophy has been based on “understanding” and helping the people. Sadly, its based on lies. The only thing I think the democrats have done to help minorities is given them rides to the polls on election day….
I have personally met Lt. Govenor Steele and I know he will be elected and act as a great service to MD.
To it is simply funny to sit here and read how people are so shocked that people use race in politics… they are saddened that people use slurs or stereotypes in the political arena… give me a break… this fake indignation that I see is laughable… the calls declaring hypocrisy and racism aimed at the liberals for busting the balls of Republican candidate of color is a bit over the top…
While it is truly sad that we still live in an age in which ethnicity, race, culture or religion are still used in political attacks, it is also very insulting that we would see people get up in arms when the other side does it to them… as if the morality of the situation is changed since this one has a different animal on their campaign button… if you are going to argue about racism in politics, then do it… but also at least act as if you are upset when your party does it to the otherside… that way you will at least pretend not to be a hypocrite…
It should also be noted that when discussing the trials and tribulations of the political south, you include the Civil Rights era which virutally stripped Democratic control of those states…
Altshiftdelete–I am not sure who you are baiting here, but let me respond to some of your comments, if I may–mainly because I love pious, holier-than-thou types. They are so much fun!
I do not think it is hypocritical to denounce the obvious. If it were rightwingers doing it, I would criticize them just the same. But, the focal point of this discussion is not how the right is treating minorites–it is the treatment of them coming from the left–from both black and white liberals. Many who subscribe to the radical left ideology are quick to let the racial epithets fly when minorites leave the “farm.” Been to the Democratic Underground lately? There is plenty of nonsensical, hate-filler there to corroborate my claim. But I will concede to one of your points–you are right–I should not be surprised at such hateful banter. After all, Condi Rice was called a “house nigga” and an “Aunt Jemima.” Steele is being called a “Sambo” and an “Uncle Tom.” And, Clarence Thomas has been called an “oreo” and not a “real black.” No question about it, we should denounce this cruel vitriol in no uncertain terms no matter what side of the aisle it comes from. People–no matter who they are or what they look like–should be able to choose their own beliefs without being mischaracterized with racial epithets. Surely, you can agree with me there.
First off, I am not baiting… but pointing out that I have heard nearly an outcry from the right when race, culture, religion, etc is brought in to the picture from the right… you can say that this is not the meaning of the post but actually it is… if you are going to pass judgement on a few from the left over this issue, then by God you had better do the same to those few on the right… that is my point… if you say you would do so, then I offer an apology to you…
Just for the record, I have seen very few whites make disparaging remarks about Steele on the matter of race… I have heard it mostly from the blacks in Maryland and it isn’t that he is conservative that these remarks are being made… but for his comments and actions which seem to try to deny that he himself is black… while this still isn’t room enought to toss the words around it is less of an issue than one day the liberals woke and saw a black conservative and lashed out… the other examples you have shown, once again I must not be hanging with the right white crowd because I did not hear any of this from them…
I agree with you that race, ethnicity, culture and religion should not be part of the matter… but we are both not naive enough to believe that it will disappear… it might not be right and it would be good to go away but that is but a dream right now…
“have heard it mostly from the blacks in Maryland and it isn’t that he is conservative that these remarks are being made… but for his comments and actions which seem to try to deny that he himself is black…”
That’s still saying that “he’s not really black if he’s not a liberal”.
Um… no… but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth… how about this, go find some of his speeches and let’s see what blacks may disagree with him about… it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative (and for that matter he isn’t even a conservative- check out his stance on policy)…
I imagine my mention of the 1988 Willy (Willie?) Horton political add will be lost on many of the yung’ins here…
Just toss’n it out there. Discuss amongst yourselves.
The “PC” world has muddied our societal waters. It’s quite normal to dislike or to not prefer certain people or attributes. We all put up with that stuff in our lives – and we get over it. What’s afoot here is more than a history lesson ala Civil War, liberal and conservative. It is the “new” Dem and Rep parties, and their purely political methods for remaining in power that needs examination.
In my entire life, the only “racism” I’ve seen is from the black community. The argument there is irrational – “only white people are racist”. Think “congressional black caucus”.
Generally speaking, black leaders (Dems) have appealed to the “victim” mentality of unenlightened blacks. As time goes by, and IF more blacks can learn to be “color-blind”, they will make better use of this free society they live in. Staying in school, having no babies out of wedlock, avoiding crime and drug use, produces good citizens who do not end up in poverty and cost the American worker trillions of dollars. Working, raising good kids and enjoying a free and happy life is the prize. By-product – they will eventually gravitate to conservative thought.
Unfortunately, it is denied them by their own leaders and other Dems who find it so easy to get “victims” to vote – you know, “I care about you”; “they done you wrong”; etc.
My friend Prof. John McWhorter (black author, “Losing the Race”) has been ostracized by the black community. His crime? Being a conservative? (Hardly – he’s at Berkely) No, he said his black students were difficult and self-defeatists. They considered reading, study and learning as “white man’s stuff”. His fate is the same as any black who dares to discuss self-reliance, personal responsibility or statistics. Think Bill Cosby. “Racism” is really a black problem. Solutions are only possible if there is an open and fair discussion. But, forget that! – just try it and see how fast you are called a racist.
The Dems apparently can live with situations like the poor black community we saw recently in New Orleans . They can live with constant “race rioting” in our cities. They can live with the destruction of their own communities. What they can’t live with is the sight of bright, successful blacks or really helping to resolve the black “problem”. That would mean helping them to become productive, contributing members of our society.
The Dems will never be able to do that. Why? Well, they’d lose their constituancy!
“alt/shift/delete” – you’re right – I hated that!
God bless America.
“In my entire life, the only “racism” I’ve seen is from the black community. The argument there is irrational – “only white people are racist”. Think “congressional black caucus”.”
-I have absolutely no idea where you are living, if the only racism you’ve seen is from the black community. It must be some strange, far away place. If you are truly 75 years old and have never witnessed racism against a minority, I would think that perhaps you have gone through life with your eyes closed.
“Unfortunately, it is denied them by their own leaders and other Dems who find it so easy to get “victims” to vote – you know, “I care about you”; “they done you wrong”; etc.”
-Being here in St Louis, I’m curious what the inhabitants of Pruitt-Igoe might have to say about your theory on school, child birth, crime, and drug abuse. I guess it’s just ignorance to say that they were done wrong though, correct?
“”Racism” is really a black problem. “
-No. Racism is a people problem. As such, blacks are certainly affected by it, and yes, they also effect it. But if you want to oversimplify, the problem is more practically limitable in terms of socioeconomic status than it is in terms of one’s skin color.
“-No. Racism is a people problem. As such, blacks are certainly affected by it, and yes, they also effect it. But if you want to oversimplify, the problem is more practically limitable in terms of socioeconomic status than it is in terms of one’s skin color.”
Well technically it’s more a “black and hispanic problem”. Think about it. Other than blacks and hispanics, what other races do you see constantly demanding free handouts from the government? None that I can recall.
“Other than blacks and hispanics, what other races do you see constantly demanding free handouts from the government? None that I can recall.”
-Unfortunately, racism consists of more than merely demanding handouts, or claiming to be downtrodden by another ethnic group.
dictionary.com says this:
rac·ism Audio pronunciation of “racism” ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
-A definition of racism as “the demanding of free handouts from the government,” needs serious and profound reivision.
-Additionally, I believe the limitation of racism to any particular ethnicity is thinking a bit too locally. There is racism on every inhabited continent, and prejudices exist among every ethnic group across the globe.
I’m talking about the “victimization” used as a payoff due to the fact that some racists exist. I have chinese relatives and they’ve had people say shit to them for being chinese, but they don’t cry about it like little babies and demand money for it.
I see your point, and I mostly agree with it. Victims of bigotry and ignorance do not deserve handouts, nor do they deserve the luxury of “reverse racism.” I have been a victim of this kind of garbage first hand, and it isn’t fun.
-But with that said, there are still a lot of ways in which this country is not equal (and I am not about to accept the notion that somehow, through Affirmative Action and other programs, things are harder for the white man than they are for blacks). Opportunities are not equal in this country. Unfortunately however, I don’t think that any viable options have been introduced to solve this deeply embedded problem.
Oh things are harder for blacks, but as Bill Cosby said — thats mostly the fault of the black community in recent years by becoming obsessed with the idea that they should be given handouts and that education is “the white man’s thing” and such. Until you get an education you won’t have access to certain opportunities, regardless of your race. As for your comment of “Unfortunately however, I don’t think that any viable options have been introduced to solve this deeply embedded problem”, well those options have to be introduced by the black community, and those like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who profit off of popularizing the “victim” mentality beat down any blacks who dare speak out for responsibility and throwing off the rap culture which is part of the endless cycle of poverty for many blacks.
So we have now taken the issue of racism and narrowed it down to just the economic side “free handouts” side of it? Amazing… I feel much better now that we can firmly place all the blame of racism on the hands of the victims of racism rather than the real reasons why…
Oh and when my friends of minority status have someone call them a slur, I will remind them that this is not racism since it does not have an economic outcome… and in these terms, Michael Steele (and any comments concerning him including this entry by Morrison) isn’t racism…
Thanks for clearing all of that up… someone should use this as the basis for their PhD and will get the Nobel Peace Prize for ending racism as we know it… (snarky through and through)
I don’t know if I would dismiss it as the “rap culture,” but other than that, it would be an excellent first step.
“(snarky through and through)”
Lol. Well put
“I feel much better now that we can firmly place all the blame of racism on the hands of the victims of racism”
When it comes to ‘verbal abuse’ or however you want to word it, YOU choose how you will react to it. There’s not a person alive who hasn’t had mean things said to them. Some ignore those comments and live their lives, others let those mean words shape their lives. Am I blaming blacks for any racist comments towards them? No, but I am saying they should take responsibility for how they allow those comments to affect their lives.
well outside the fact that I mentioned it was all snarky, there is more to racism than the economic pill of free hand outs that you proposed… there is even more than just the simple slurs encountered everyday… it is a much larger issue than those two things including perception, violence, discounting actions, questioning ethics or actions, not participating, preaching against, questioning ability, questioning attributes and so on…
I’m aware of that ASD, but those are not overly common in this day (except for when a random mugging or some such gets labled a ‘racist action’ because the victim happend to be black). Only a very small number of people in this country think that a persons race affects their ability to perform a task.
Spoken like someone who has not spent a lot of time in the workplace… however in my many jobs I have seen and heard first hand such things… now unless I am in the wrong world which is opposite of boymarine’s, I can not help but to think that my experiences are not exceptions to your thoughts…
IMHO you seem to have a hang up on blacks since you keep reverting back to using blacks as an example… the funny thing is, I hear more complaining out of other minorities than my friends of African descent…
Altshiftdelete
Above,I left a comment deploring racist cartoons Lib papers have printed about CONDI. In your first comment subsequent to that,you seem to think it’s hypocritical for some to be offended at such cartoons? I just want you to know that the NY Post (the more CONSERVATIVE of the Post/Daily News duo) today ran a cartoon depicting CLINTON as a dog in heat humping a woman’s leg,and though I’m no fan of Clinton,I think that’s deplorable and am contemplating writing the Post to tell them.
How many libs wrote the LIBERAL papers who ran racist cartoons about CONDI,is my question?
Hi “WSR”
Morrison’s comments are what prompted my submission. As he stated:
“Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.”
Your comments don’t address the specific situation he has advanced. That’s OK – You’ve broadened the discussion area a bit, and it is appropriate that you receive some reaction. Here we go.
-I have absolutely no idea where you are living, if the only racism you’ve seen is from the black community. It must be some strange, far away place. If you are truly 75 years old and have never witnessed racism against a minority, I would think that perhaps you have gone through life with your eyes closed.
You have no idea about a lot of stuff, but hey, there’s still lots of time for you to be able to reach new and different conclusions about things. It’s only fair that I give some credibility to those shots. Yes, I’ve been hiding behind a door for 75 years; kept my eyes shut the whole time and have never seen man’s inhumanity to man. It’s only the labels that change over the years – the problems remain the same, my friend.
When one is set so firmly in his beliefs, it is difficult to discuss another person’s views. It will seem to be so foreign from one’s own views as to seem “wrong”. It is so much easier, therefore, to just take the contrarian stance, reach for dictionary definitions and figure that the other person is a nut.
“-Being here in St Louis, I’m curious what the inhabitants of Pruitt-Igoe might have to say about your theory on school, child birth, crime, and drug abuse. I guess it’s just ignorance to say that they were done wrong though, correct?”
A personal opinion about the specific St. Louis situation doesn’t negate the stated method by which those people have been manipulated by politicians for personal gain. Statistics on poverty as a soluble problem say school, child birth, etc. are the determining factors.
“-No. Racism is a people problem. As such, blacks are certainly affected by it, and yes, they also effect it. But if you want to oversimplify, the problem is more practically limitable in terms of socioeconomic status than it is in terms of one’s skin color.”
It is? Holy cow, I’d better write that down somewhere. Yes, OK, let’s “oversimplify” – almost all human conflicts have a socioeconomic element. That’s a valid observation – it might even lead someone to say “racism is a black problem”.
When anyone “feels” like a victim or “feels” unworthy or “feels” inferior, it is their problem. Add being irresponsible to that and you get the need to “blame” somebody. There will also be the need to “cry out” to that great big scary void. Those crys become more effective if they are given the power of a label – say like “RACIST!”
In today’s society, labels are picked up by the media, repeated and accumulate credibility and emotion theough their repetition. Add a modicom of “PC” and you’ve got “racism”.
So what that leaves us with is a perfectly qualified Lt. Gov Steele being vilified by blacks because he is black and for his achievements – what a racist thing to do – cool, huh?
God bless America.
Angelsea… I commend you for feeling that way but my intent was not the exceptions but the main group… I have heard too many conservatives who never felt a tinge of problem by calling minorities that happen to be Democrats a slur or make disparaging remarks and yet when something like this happens (including Condi, Powell or Thomas) all of a sudden it is a real issue…
“You have no idea about a lot of stuff, but hey, there’s still lots of time for you to be able to reach new and different conclusions about things.”
-Ooh, I can’t wait!
“When one is set so firmly in his beliefs, it is difficult to discuss another person’s views. It will seem to be so foreign from one’s own views as to seem “wrong”. It is so much easier, therefore, to just take the contrarian stance, reach for dictionary definitions and figure that the other person is a nut.”
-I suppose this is why you dismiss things such as racism and parasitic logging practices out of hand? I’m glad you explained the entrenchment of your views, because from my point of view they just seemed wrong! Now I get it!
“A personal opinion about the specific St. Louis situation doesn’t negate the stated method by which those people have been manipulated by politicians for personal gain. Statistics on poverty as a soluble problem say school, child birth, etc. are the determining factors.”
-You did not qualify your statement as being specific to politicians seeking personal advancement by alledging victimization by their constitutents.
-And dismissal of the Pruitt-Igoans’ (coined it myself – that’s right, I both provide definitions, AND make up my own words) opinions still fails to explain your statement:
“In my entire life, the only “racism” I’ve seen is from the black community. The argument there is irrational – “only white people are racist”.”
-As for your statistics, when blacks are placed in a 2700+ unit, 33 building, 11 story housing complex, how diverse do you think their schooling or child birth patterns are likely to be? Keep in mind that this is only one of numerous available examples.
“it might even lead someone to say “racism is a black problem”.”
-It might, but they would have about as much credibility as Ann Coulter or Michael Moore’s newest offering.
“In today’s society, labels are picked up by the media, repeated and accumulate credibility and emotion theough their repetition. Add a modicom of “PC” and you’ve got “racism”.”
-I guess it was the liberal media that caused segregation, the disappearing of civil rights workers, bus boycotts, the Rodney King beating, racial profiling and harassment of even professional baseball players, neo-nazism and white supremacy movements, and on and on and on? I guess I’m just being too sensitive or “politically correct”?
“So what that leaves us with is a perfectly qualified Lt. Gov Steele being vilified by blacks because he is black and for his achievements – what a racist thing to do – cool, huh?”
-Yeah, real cool! Oh wait. I never said anything of the sort! I never attempted to justify the attacks made on Steele, so I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. You seem to be trying to restrict your comments now to racism perpetrated by blacks, apparently in a political environment. But that isn’t what your initial comment said, and that isn’t what this is really about.
The Democrat Blacks are still on that plantation. They are too lazy to get off of it. They love to do the bidding of the their white masters of the Democrat Party. That is the way I look at it anyway. Morrison, keep telling it like it is. And I would vote for Condi in a second if she ran for President.
“WSR”
OK, buddy, you win. Sleep well.
I promise to see a shrink as soon as I can. I will ask her to please help me become a flexible, objective, loving, caring, open-minded, civil and certain person – about all things. Surely these would be standards you can approve of – as they are modelled so well.
God bless America.
Gee, Boymarine, why so upset?
I guess when people can’t debate the issue at hand, they make baseless personal attacks?
“You have no idea about a lot of stuff, but hey, there’s still lots of time for you to be able to reach new and different conclusions about things.”
Now I have an idea about one more thing! Thanx
The total third-party view of which no one is really going to care to read because it’s a third-party view:
Racism is sick and disgusting and totally distasteful. It isn’t a matter of party or even race. It happens, whether people do it cognitively or not. Somehow, there is an advantage to using race or racism- guilt trips, political advantages, social favor, etc.
Let me tell you a story about my first encounter with unjustified usage of race: I was working my afternoon/evening shift at my local ice cream shop. It started to get pretty busy and a person comes in. This person is a bit hard of hearing and has a rather thick accent. Now, before any of you gung ho jerks go tearing at my throat saying I’m discriminating against people who are hard of hearing and have accents, let me just note that this person actually said to me: “Could you please speak up? I’m a little hard of hearing and I can’t hear you over all of the noise.”
Ok, I thought to myself, a total cinch. Not the first time I’ve had to serve the elderly and/or those who speak English as a second/third/etc language. I live in California for crying out loud. My mother hardly speaks straight, clear-cut Engish. I’m used to it. I volunteer at the nursing home, where people who are not only hard of hearing or just plain deaf, but they’re also incapacitated. This was nothing new.
So I took his order, one by one. I used gestures and spoke in a very loud, distinctive, and clear voice, despite the crowd and machinery noise. I thought it would just facilitate communication. What does this person say to me at the register when I’m done filling the order to perfection? “I don’t like your attitude. You probably don’t like me because I’m [censored racial reference here].” My jaw dropped and I was half ready to make a retort. But I kept my composure and dignity- I was not about to stoop to this person’s level.
Which level am I referring to? The base level of using race as a weapon. Politicians do it all the time- curry favor with a certain group so they can gain their seat of power. Whether they keep their promises afterwards is a totally different story. And then they turn it against one another, saying one party treats such-and-such race wrongly so we as righteous Americans must hate that party. It’s a vicious cycle of hate and crap.
Take a good look at what the original American dream was/is. Before you can tell someone to stop, you need to stop it yourself.
Oh, and another thing- Take a look at who were in power (that is, in charge of the Presidential seat) at moments that worked towards the betterment of civil rights. Before you all get pompous about whose party did more for race/civil rights/etc, look at the facts. [Though sad to say, I think the Democrats or "liberals," as you non-Democrats/non-liberals are so fond of calling them, got you guys beat during the entire ordeal. Riding of coattails does not count for jack... no pun intended, may Kennedy rest in peace.]
“WSR” – get ready – long comment alert!!!
If it makes you feel better, go ahead and think that I’m upset. What I truly am would really frost you! I feel like I’m having a discussion with a person who has read only a part of his assignment. Talking with you is like having a chat with a whirlwind. Point A becomes angry views on Points D, E, F and more.
You feel so strongly about so many things and that’s understandable. But, being able to hold all of those feelings away from every associated topic you discuss seems difficult for you.
On the other hand, it could be very easy for someone else to sense a lot that is being revealed. I know that you work hard with the sheep, and I know that you must be good at it. There’s a hope in me that you are also adept at handling people relationships. You know, stuff like being non-judgmental, non-competitive, non-argumentive, loving and the reduction of life conflicts. That usually takes a few more years for all of us to grasp.
That’s where I’m coming from. Now relax! It doesn’t mean I think I’m so smart. That’s not it at all. I’m coming from a place you haven’t seen yet.
It’s OK, I didn’t write off your “75 years old” shot as disrespectful, although I remember people in your generation saying things like, “Don’t trust anyone over 30″. I guess it’s possible that you may still be that way, but I doubt it.
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“You have no idea about a lot of stuff, but hey, there’s still lots of time for you to be able to reach new and different conclusions about things.”
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It is true that you will see different views given more years. The fact that you take that as a slight is also understandable. A comment about Bruce Springsteen seems appropriate here: “The Boss, who for years sang rock and roll anthems of youthful rebellion – now is navigating the more intricate paths of parenthood and self-reflection”.
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“-I suppose this is why you dismiss things such as racism and parasitic logging practices out of hand? I’m glad you explained the entrenchment of your views, because from my point of view they just seemed wrong! Now I get it!”
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Please rethink those comments – dismiss racism? parasitic? Didn’t we discuss that in the context of a “balanced” way of caring? Rest assured that my views are current and always in transition, as they must be, for the world does change us. I cannot afford to have views that are entrenched. I do, however, always try to use a problem-solving approach. I found out years ago, that whining about things feels good to a short-term thinker, but solving difficulties has a very beneficial long-term effect.
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-And dismissal of the Pruitt-Igoans’ (coined it myself – that’s right, I both provide definitions, AND make up my own words) opinions still fails to explain your statement:
“In my entire life, the only “racism” I’ve seen is from the black community. The argument there is irrational – “only white people are racist”.”
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I’m getting a little tired, but we’re almost through with this. You know us old timers – I just did my 5 mile daily run, planted two palm trees and kayaked through the canals for two hours. I haven’t yet broken a sweat. There goes another stereotype!
I didn’t “dismiss” it. I knew that you were talking about a housing project. I was trying to continue on the original track of Morrison’s comments. I can understand that you wanted to discuss your feelings about the plight of those people. It’s why I find it so hard to continue a conversation with you. Here we go again to Point G, then Point Y, with plenty of emotion and harsh judgements as a bonus.
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“-As for your statistics, when blacks are placed in a 2700+ unit, 33 building, 11 story housing complex, how diverse do you think their schooling or child birth patterns are likely to be? Keep in mind that this is only one of numerous available examples.”
“-I guess it was the liberal media that caused segregation, the disappearing of civil rights workers, bus boycotts, the Rodney King beating, racial profiling and harassment of even professional baseball players, neo-nazism and white supremacy movements, and on and on and on? I guess I’m just being too sensitive or “politically correct”?
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Please rethink your approach here. It makes me think that you see me as being in favor of those statistics, or that I might even be agreeable to imposing such inhumanity.
I know that you want me to see these cases of “racism”, and I do. The case I was making has to do with a differing view, not a denial. The fact that I didn’t “see racism” got to you because a different way of looking at something escaped you. You saw it as wrong because you looked at it from your point of view, not mine.
What I saw (see) is the fear, insecurity and frailty of humans when they have a “victim” mentality. Rather than to be crushed by a terrible word “racism” (both the victim and the accused), a person must somehow understand that it is they who must find the strength to overcome it. Life is full of people who will label, discriminate and accuse. These are things that are real and must be dealt with – for all of us.
I see these things as normal (not good) human urges to discriminate and hurt others. Call them stereotypes, call them prejudiced, call them anything. Yelling a label at others in return for the hurts imposed is not the answer.
A prisoner of war, must get over the torture by his enemies; Jews must get over the fact that they are hated – but may call out “anti-semite”; Blond haired girls must get over being called “Dumb”. The answer is always – don’t swallow, get up, become more self-reliant, forget the past and the need for vengeance, forgive, survive, be happy, enjoy life.
I’ve been doing my part for over fifty years to try to improve the plight of black people and many others. I hate the idea that we can’t find a better way than “warehousing” the poor. That’s why I have little respect for most politicians, especially the ones who got votes by building such insane “solutions”.
But I’m even sadder to think that so many of those people refuse to see the benefits of staying in school, getting a job, staying away from drugs and crime, and not having babies out of wedlock. To a person who really cares about their plight, that’s the solution, isn’t it? Oh wait, never mind – you don’t have to answer that. Heck, you would have to entertain adding just one little “conservative” viewpoint to your “liberal” outlook. Hmmmm – that’s not so bad. Being open to an occasional new way of looking at things does us all some good.
God bless America.
Good lord, that was a long post. Just for simplicity, I’m going to assume that everything contained therein was, in fact, genuine (I am saying this because I know you like to get a bit cheeky sometimes, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”
).
“Talking with you is like having a chat with a whirlwind. Point A becomes angry views on Points D, E, F and more.”
-Don’t mistake passion for anger. Perhaps I sometimes expend a little too much attention on tangents, but I tend to think of things as interrelated in a “No Man is an Iland” sense. In any case, examples are often in order.
“But, being able to hold all of those feelings away from every associated topic you discuss seems difficult for you.”
-I’m afraid that I don’t know what you mean here. Perhaps this is a matter of miscommunication. When I see your comment:
“In my entire life, the only “racism” I’ve seen is from the black community. The argument there is irrational – “only white people are racist”,”
I don’t qualify it in terms of the narrow topic Morrison has decided to present. I see it in its own context, and in this case, it came off as a blanket statement. Nevertheless, if you are speaking of politicians preying on fear and victimization, I would still suspect that in your lifetime there have been opportunities to see the inverse of what Al Sharpton engages in.
“There’s a hope in me that you are also adept at handling people relationships. You know, stuff like being non-judgmental, non-competitive, non-argumentive, loving and the reduction of life conflicts. That usually takes a few more years for all of us to grasp.”
-This doesn’t really strike me as relevant, but since I’m assuming you are being genuine, thanks for your concern, but you needn’t worry. Although I may come off as a bit intense, rest assured that I am having a good time, and continue to enjoy healthy relationships with a host of varied and interesting people!
“It’s OK, I didn’t write off your “75 years old” shot as disrespectful, although I remember people in your generation saying things like, “Don’t trust anyone over 30″. I guess it’s possible that you may still be that way, but I doubt it.”
-Good, it wasn’t meant as disrespect. But I’m not sure that you know to which generation I belong. However, that also seems irrelevant. This is, after all, just a place to go to talk about things. As a matter of fact, these silly little boards are really the only place I discuss this garbage, and I like it that way! I do not choose to waste my time in relationships that are valuable to me by debating. I prefer to agree to disagree, shake hands, tell a joke, and raise a pint.
“I was trying to continue on the original track of Morrison’s comments. I can understand that you wanted to discuss your feelings about the plight of those people. It’s why I find it so hard to continue a conversation with you. Here we go again to Point G, then Point Y, with plenty of emotion and harsh judgements as a bonus.”
-I don’t recall discussing my feelings about the plight of the people of Pruitt Igoe. I used them as an example, though I can see that you feel it was somehow inappropriate…
“What I saw (see) is the fear, insecurity and frailty of humans when they have a “victim” mentality. Rather than to be crushed by a terrible word “racism” (both the victim and the accused), a person must somehow understand that it is they who must find the strength to overcome it. Life is full of people who will label, discriminate and accuse. These are things that are real and must be dealt with – for all of us.
I see these things as normal (not good) human urges to discriminate and hurt others. Call them stereotypes, call them prejudiced, call them anything. Yelling a label at others in return for the hurts imposed is not the answer.
A prisoner of war, must get over the torture by his enemies; Jews must get over the fact that they are hated – but may call out “anti-semite”; Blond haired girls must get over being called “Dumb”. The answer is always – don’t swallow, get up, become more self-reliant, forget the past and the need for vengeance, forgive, survive, be happy, enjoy life.”
-Yes!
“I’ve been doing my part for over fifty years to try to improve the plight of black people and many others. I hate the idea that we can’t find a better way than “warehousing” the poor. That’s why I have little respect for most politicians, especially the ones who got votes by building such insane “solutions”.”
-Yes!
“But I’m even sadder to think that so many of those people refuse to see the benefits of staying in school, getting a job, staying away from drugs and crime, and not having babies out of wedlock. To a person who really cares about their plight, that’s the solution, isn’t it? Oh wait, never mind – you don’t have to answer that. Heck, you would have to entertain adding just one little “conservative” viewpoint to your “liberal” outlook. Hmmmm – that’s not so bad. Being open to an occasional new way of looking at things does us all some good.”
-I agree that it’s awful that so many people in this country are having trouble facilitating their own growth and development – economic, individual, and otherwise. Yes, that is the solution to me. I’m afraid that you have mistaken my position as being one that supports those who play the politics of fear. But rest assured, that is not the case. I couldn’t agree with you more on all of the points you just presented. But to me, it’s not enough to just say “Get a job. Don’t get pregnant. Stay in school. Don’t do drugs.” To me, efforts need to be made to improve the schools, offer afterhours programs that keep kids out of trouble, and so on. THOSE are the ideas that make sense to me, the ideas that could make a difference. Does that not make sense?
-I’m glad we had this little talk! But rest assured that I am actually just having fun with this. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Right???
boymarine and WSR… I am sending you both a cease and desist order for using up as much writing space as I do… this is my trademark and I will gladly meet both of you in front of the blog judge (weekdays at 1 PM on channel 7)…
“WSR” – Right!
“ASD” – Nicest chewing out I ever got! Less later
God bless America.
Your right, it truly is disgusting. Ever since the days of Kennedy, the Democratic Party has enjoyed widespread support among the black community, in return for what?
What have the Democrats given African Americans sicne the days of Lyndon B. Johnson?
Absolutely nothing at all.
Lets take Clinton for example, our most recent Democratic President. Clinton stole the GOP’s welfare reform stategy, desptie the fact that it was opposed by the african american community. I’d count reforming welfare as a favor, but most blacks would not. Outside of that he accomplished little, outside of saying nice things and playing saxophone.
I dunno Mo, back when I was naive high school aged “liberal” I never though I treated you in a “disgusting” manner. Exchange “democrats” or hell, “politicans” for that matter and you’ll have a more accurate title.
Hi “AR”
I see it that way too. BC wanted their votes badly enough to “play” to their needs. They wanted to have their “victimhood” acknowledged. That’s why most black voters can be swayed by Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson and the “black caucus”.
The idea in the minds of their “leaders” is not to help the plight of their people, but to exploit them. As the black community begins to see the falsity of the Dems position, they will not be so easily swayed. Things will change very dramatically in our country when that happens.
Dems cannot win an election without at least 80% of the black vote. As blacks leave the party to vote Rep (gaining every election) the Dems will be a forgotten party for years and years. That’s why they are so harsh, so desperate and so unyielding in their criticism of “W” and the war. They realize that if they can’t keep their base “angry” about something, all will be lost.
Most Americans love their country and realize that it is under attack by a very difficult enemy (world-wide). They also find it totally unacceptable, during this war, that a political party can put their party above their country.
Oh yes, Dems get very upset if that is seen as them being less than patriotic. They see it as being free to “speak out” – duh!!
God bless America.
Please consider not spending a cent on the movie, “Jarhead”. It is trash – a lie. It shows Marines hurting each other, with no espirit de corps and as homicidal maniacs. That’s not the Marine Corps.
I just can’t handle seeing the Marines, our premier fighting force, made to look so bad. They are the one service that teaches love of family, love of God and love of country. That’s why we are a very proud bunch!
Nov. 10 – Happy Birthday to the U.S. Marines. 230 years old – they are one year older than the country they serve proudly.
God bless America.
Can’t we all just get along and embrace diversity??!!
If you listen very hard
the tune will come to you at last
When all is one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
“Most Americans love their country and realize that it is under attack by a very difficult enemy (world-wide). They also find it totally unacceptable, during this war, that a political party can put their party above their country.”
how very true… but it might not be the way you are trying to portray it…
Hi “ASD”
Sorry to be so late with a response. What do you mean? Re: “It might not be, etc,”
God bless America.
boymarine… you hate this stuff but to be honest you must admit that all sides of the political spectrum are using the war for political means… in all actuality, war itself is a political mechanism…
The part I was mentioning is the number of conservatives who have decided to step in line with the President (and company) on the issue of torture… they are putting their party ahead of our nation’s best interest… look at what Sen Graham did with his amendment to strip “enemy combatants” of their legal rights… this is putting the party ahead of the nation by trying to avoid the messy issues that will/could arise concerning McCain’s anti-torture bill…
You were a marine and a proud one at that… you have to admit that actions taken against prisoners in such a way stains the proud tradition of the armed services… I am not talking about actions taken on the battle field since I think we can all make a justification or understand the difference… I am talking about the actions taken off the field… if anything, people in uniform of the US armed forces should not be taking part in those off the field actions…